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YouTube's New Hue

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Re: YouTube's New Hue

#261
When I was in college just a decade ago, my rather old computer science professor had an entire bookshelf of books: A reference library. Half of this reference library was books on UI design and UX best practices and how to make human friendly and human-centric interfaces.

This hard-won knowledge was the result of decades of observation by groups like the entire armed forces of the US on how to make systems that a 20 year old non-expert in a stressful situation can reliably use. It was the result of sticking people in front of computers and watching them make mistakes and figuring out what they intended to do and happen, so we could understand how people interpret an interface, and we used this research to make interfaces more discoverable and human-friendly. It lead to things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law . All this work was used heavily for example in Windows 95 to make an interface that grandma would be able to use. This research is why my mother was able to eagerly utilize computers for her work with minimal training.

But fuck all that I guess. Why base UI and UX on empirical study when you can just make bad faith A/B testing prove whatever you want and just make a red more magenta because your company makes a billion dollars per employee and has a captured market and hasn't had to actually build anything useful in decades.

Re: YouTube's New Hue

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The least they could do is write up something as unhinged as that old Pepsi design strategy document. https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell...

Thats amazing. Its in the uncanny valley where I can't tell if they're serious or if they're having a laugh. It immediately makes me think of the song "Redesign Your Logo" by Lemon Demon. Pure comedy.

"Redesign Your Logo" was actually directly inspired by this exact brand redesign document, so your instinct is well-founded! Here's a transcript of the official Spirit Phone commentary track where Neil mentions it:

https://lemondemon.fandom.com/wiki/Spirit_Phone:_Commentary#...

Re: YouTube's New Hue

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> we created a dynamic red-to-magenta gradient. For the second color, orange and yellow were strong contenders, but magenta felt like the most natural pairing with our new red. Interestingly, magenta doesn't often appear in the natural world, so it symbolizes the imagination and evolution that YouTube embodies. We also placed the gradient at a 45-degree angle with magenta on the right, signifying forward movement.

I dislike these kinds of lofty rationales, especially when there are more pragmatic reasons available. They give license to mock the design industry as some kind of bullshit machine; attempting to shoehorn more meaning into banal executions. Design serves a necessary role in communication. I thought we collectively got over "pepsi breathtaking design strategy" style rationales?

I am a strong proponent of iterative design, and it's my expectation that this change is not a stepping stone that leads somewhere else, it'll be fashion for fashion-sake to impart a temporary sense of newness before being abandoned for the next web gimmick down the line.

If I were to have a stab at the direction it would be: We were tasked with making a change, not because we have a new direction or motive, but simply for newness. We understand that the company is entirely risk-averse with its largest brands and also experienced enough to understand that noticeable changes attract scrutiny. We've opted to hop on the bandwagon of adding a subtle gleam to our logo because it's minor enough that without this blog post you probably wouldn't have noticed it, and if there was a hint of negative push-back we could easily abandon the design entirely without much visual change.

Re: YouTube's New Hue

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I have had premium on a family plan for almost as long as it has existed. It's great to add family members who use YouTube on their televisions giving them an ad-free experience without the shenanigans of setting up blockers at a network level. I very much don't understand the opposition to paying for some of the services we use every day. I get not wanted to pay 15-20/month for something like Apple or Disney, if you…

Why do you not see the issue with some of us not wanting to give fraudulent extorting thieves money? The previous comment was pretty clear and blatant in it's example of unethical immoral even illegal advertisement...and your only reply is why not pay to stop it! What's next.... Pay this subscription or we will install malware?or break your windows?

The alternative is to not watch YouTube at all.

If you watch YouTube with an ad blocker, you are still watching YouTube and not supporting a more ethical alternative. Sure, you are not giving YouTube any money, but you are still supporting their dominant position.

Re: YouTube's New Hue

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At this point, if someone is not using UBlock and Revanced, it is 100% their fault. Megacorps has very clearly told us that they want ever profits even if it destroys lives, our planet and our future.

Or paying for Premium. I do that to make sure the creators get something.

I'd gladly pay for Premium if it didn't come bundled with a completely redundant music streaming subscription.

Re: YouTube's New Hue

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You just need to learn to embrace the Pepsi Universe: https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell... (For newcomers with limited time, scroll to the last 2 pages)

Is it bad that I kind of find myself almost…respecting how ludicrous it is?

on no, it's definitely award nomination level for the effort/effect, and we all know it's just an honor to be nominated. i'm not sure if it's a "you really like me" level or not though

Re: YouTube's New Hue

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> We change the product constantly — we’re talking over 1,700 updates per year! Good job, the new red is a huge improvement. Meanwhile the YouTube comment sections are still getting pummeled by bots, trying to scam viewers with fake crypto offerings (90%+ involving an "Elon Musk giveaway") or writing entire threads praising the great investment returns from a genius trader named "Mr Definitely A. RealName" who operat…

> I guess changing red to red-ish magenta was apparently more important than addressing the widespread issues that have been plaguing YouTube for years. I have a suspicion that the color and design folks are not the same people in charge of comment section spam/bots.

Google laid off over 1000 people (100 in YT) last year. So at some point they did make a conscious decision that the 6 people making the red slightly more purple were more important than 1000 other roles.

Re: YouTube's New Hue

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> I guess changing red to red-ish magenta was apparently more important than addressing the widespread issues that have been plaguing YouTube for years. I have a suspicion that the color and design folks are not the same people in charge of comment section spam/bots.

Google laid off over 1000 people (100 in YT) last year. So at some point they did make a conscious decision that the 6 people making the red slightly more purple were more important than 1000 other roles.

Were those 100 people working in anti-spam/bot detection?

Re: YouTube's New Hue

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> Robyn: To give YouTube a sense of motion, we created a dynamic red-to-magenta gradient. For the second color, orange and yellow were strong contenders, but magenta felt like the most natural pairing with our new red. Interestingly, magenta doesn't often appear in the natural world, so it symbolizes the imagination and evolution that YouTube embodies. We also placed the gradient at a 45-degree angle with magenta on…

I noticed this gradient and knew it didn't used to be there. I thought for a long time there was something wrong with my TV. I would walk around the room looking at the TV from different angles and would move the progress bar to different points in the video. I was looking at the color settings and other known-color images. Ultimately I'm glad I saw this article and I can stop thinking I've gone crazy out that my tv…

Hehe same here, I thought my monitor burned out.

I like the new colors tbh, but it's a very very very minor update and can't avoid speculating how much that thing cost Google, 5 x 300k/year salaries x ... 2 years maybe? Lol.

Re: YouTube's New Hue

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google laid off over 1000 people (100 in YT) last year. So at some point they did make a conscious decision that the 6 people making the red slightly more purple were more important than 1000 other roles.

Were those 100 people working in anti-spam/bot detection?

Apparently most were working on content creator relations, a lack of which is probably #1 in "widespread issues that have been plaguing YouTube for years" if you surveyed the people who make platform what it is. You also can't convince me 0 out of 1000 google employees are capable of taking on a spam prevention role. On a long enough time scale headcount is fungible.
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