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Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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My mom has this very interesting theory: A parent needs to be by a child's side for the first 6-7 years of their life and devote all their time to it. Which is what she did with me. My dad stepped up for the challenge and provided for both of us. My mom had one goal: to make sure that I'd stay curious. She taught me how to read at the age of 4, signed me up for piano lessons(I haven't played piano at all nearly 3 dec…

"give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man"

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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It's not a White America thing to reject race as a biological concept, it's consistent with scientific study.

Science still backs a genetic component for things like happiness and IQ, which unlike race is not a social construct and yet can still effect things like social behavior and cultural adaptations to the environment.

That genetic component is between parents and children, not between neighbours who serendipitously share the same skin colour.

happiness and IQ, which unlike race is not a social construct

Which one of those is not a social construct, you'd say? Happiness -- which relies on self-reporting, or IQ -- for which a person can change their score by 10-20 points by studying test preps?

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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I feel like this article is good, on the verge of great, then makes cultural comments that invalidate the point trying to be made for no real reason. Like the race or location of the parent determines their childhood? The rest is spot on. I became a parent before I was ready, and man, they are little sponges. They learn everything you do, everything you say, embarrassingly so. My 5 year old would lay on the couch to…

> Like the race or location

If all you have is a racism hammer, everything looks like a racist screed I guess.

The only point I saw made is that cultures matter. There should be nothing wrong with that. You're reading malevolence into it. Stop that, please.

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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The people who still think Freud is relevant are known as “psychoanalysists” in the same way that we separate chiropractors (loony fake back doctors, equiv to psychoanalysis) from real back doctors.

Found one! But seriously, if you don't like Freud, you're going to have to come up with a better response than just saying he's a kook; we all know he's a kook! A) Talk therapy was the mode invented by Freud and is still the dominant modality of psychotherapy today, and B) While you didn't mention it but, at the time, Cocaine was in common use as a near magical local anaesthetic and from it we derive procaine, lidoca…

None of that implies that it would make sense to actually do Freud based psychoanalysis today or that some 50% of psychologists do. All of that are historical achievements of severely outdated theories. Outdated, because they were shown wrong and discredited.

It is not easy to do psychology as a science, it is way less precise and less measurable then comfortable to geeks here. But it did made massive progress in between Freud and now where Freud was abandoned due to being non scientific.

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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I'm going to quote the paragraph you're responding to so that those just reading the comments can see what it actually says: > The marshmallow test also doesn’t account for cultural differences. In some cultures, waiting is baked into daily life. Think about Japan, where kids are often taught to wait quietly for meals or gifts. Compare that to the US, where instant gratification is practically a way of life. These cu…

Culture comparisons are a notoriously touchy topic. For some people, the topic itself is a taboo. I believe that's why the poster you're replying to had that reaction. For others, it's a topic to discuss and learn from.

If all cultures are forcibly considered equal, one corollary to that is that a culture itself can also never improve, or fail, because then a comparison to itself from a different age would also be forcibly considered to be equal.

In that spirit, I welcome your dissertation on how the Germany of 2024 is equal to the Germany of 1944.

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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Counterpoint: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/jun/01/famed-impu...

My point of view is based on this very paywalled article. In science a study doesn’t just become bunk just because its original conclusions no longer hold, or because a journalist says so. The data is solid and is widely replicated. All the guardian article attacks is the analysis and conclusions. And it is correct to do so, as that is how scientific discourse works. The journalist was however incorrect in saying it…

The guy who made the original hypotheses disagree with you. The issue is that data are not solid and are not widely replicated. And especially, the point is overstated.

The guy who made the original hypotheses also literally says that marshmallow test is bad proxy for the trait under question.

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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> If you "fix" these things they lose their predictive power. Similarly if everyone tries to modify their parenting behavior so that the children can pass a hypothetical marshmallow test, then you will find that the test is no longer predictive of success. Maybe in the end nurture has no impact and the result is 100% due to nature. But what's the point in being a parent if that's the case? At that point is a philosop…

This is a false dichotomy; that it's either 100% nature and you have no control or that you must obsessively apply whatever faddish unverified pseudoscience passes your way in order to ensure your child's success. Do what comes naturally. Do things that other parents around you are doing. If you want to do something that other parents are not doing, approach with caution but be openminded. Do things that your parents…

"Do what comes naturally" has changed a lot over time. Corporal punishment used to be natural.

Today, being on your phone is natural. But as a soon to be parent, I see the zombie kids on their ipads in public and there's just no way that's good for them. Which means I'll need to fix my own screen usage.

You mentioned the research that correlates large home libraries with success. A related study is that the number of words a child hears in the first 4 years correlates with success.

Maybe I'm a fool and it's psuedoscience, but it strikes me as plausible that a child who hears a lot more words will be better equipped for school (and by extension life). It's something I intend to do (by reading to my children, talking to them as I go about the day etc..).

I'm not sure it's something I would've thought about too much if I wasn't exposed to the idea.

Again, maybe it's rubbish, but my sample size is very small. I don't have 100 kids to test it out on. I don't take research blindly, but I don't think it's stupid to try and learn about ways to parent. And I certainly don't think the right way is what comes naturally to you.

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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Yes but these comparisons of real cultures become very gross very fast. Japanese culture is orderly, neat, autonomous and their children are taught to wait at an early age. That's awesome! We should emulate Japan, clearly their culture is superior. Nevermind the salary-man trope, misogyny, Hikikomori, and rigidity that comes with it. Instead of thinking about cultures in terms of ranking, try to understand the histor…

We don’t need to “rank” cultures to recognize that individual aspects of culture are better adapted to current environments. My dad always says that “Bangladeshis don’t know how to name kids.” We don’t have surnames, but instead two given names. And everyone uses a nickname anyway that’s unrelated to the legal names. That is just inefficient and unwieldy in a modern world where social circles are larger than a villag…

> We don’t have surnames, but instead two given names. ... So I have my dad’s last name ....

Did your dad choose your last name? (Which, I've read, has a specific meaning in Hebrew, but I'm guessing your family isn't Jewish.)

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point of view is based on this very paywalled article. In science a study doesn’t just become bunk just because its original conclusions no longer hold, or because a journalist says so. The data is solid and is widely replicated. All the guardian article attacks is the analysis and conclusions. And it is correct to do so, as that is how scientific discourse works. The journalist was however incorrect in saying it…

The guy who made the original hypotheses disagree with you. The issue is that data are not solid and are not widely replicated. And especially, the point is overstated. The guy who made the original hypotheses also literally says that marshmallow test is bad proxy for the trait under question.

Groundbreaking research is groundbreaking research regardless of how well it holds up over time. Obviously it’s been supersceded but that just demonstrates the vitality of the field.
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