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Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Yes, this is pretty normal; in paid products I even find it's less aggressive than in free things. But I have a hard and frozen shell around my vital organs to just politely and friendly point to the place in queue and where to donate to speed it up. For $10k I will build your cpu temp proc, if that's not an option then it's in pos #17463 of my task list.

Yes. I was developing some open source stuff before venturing to for-profit closed Source Software, and I was surprised that the paying customers were on average much nicer than those who got their stuff for free! Great idea about the priority queue.

> were on average much nicer than those who got their stuff for free!

this is always true with, at least a great many, people. it's related to choosey-beggar syndrome. it's a bug/glitch/feature in human psychology.

if you ever have the chance to be a property manager, never ever let someone move in a week early or pay a week later for free. never let your rent get drastically below market. when people aren't paying for something, it's incredibly common behavior to stop respecting it. it's like a switch flips and suddenly they are doing you the favor.

that's why in times past, offering or taking "charity" was considered impolite. but making a small excuse might be ok. say someone needs to stay an extra week after their lease was over, but was strapped for cash. instead of saying "sure you can stay one more week", say "well, you'd really be doing me a small favor staying in the place to watch for the extra week since it's empty anyway. how about i discount the rent by 50% for that week and amend the lease to take care of it."

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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A person can be in a tough spot personally and then things seem to spiral out of control around them because that just cannot be 100% isolated from professional stuff or other spheres of life. It seems like this might have happened to Hector based on the post. We've all been there and that part is completely understandable. > I get that some people might not have liked my Mastodon posts. Yes, I can be abrasive someti…

I started reading the article, having little background on kernel drama, and ended it thinking to myself, “Jesus, what did this poor guy do to deserve all this hate?” Then I read the thread you linked and thought, “Oh. That.” To be clear nobody deserves to be harassed or threatened, but Hector’s messages make it clear he is astoundingly good at making himself into a victim of injustice. When his messages mentioned “c…

> he is astoundingly good at making himself into a victim of injustice

This was my same thought. And then at the end of his rant, he writes:

> If you are interested in hiring me...

No one who values a drama-free work place would hire this person.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Thanks for clarifying. I took a look as well, and the very first reply confirms your opinion and that of the GP's parent. Plenty of downvotes and comments that come after criticizing the maintainers, "I am not sure how @rust-lang/libs-api can look at 5400 regressions and say "eh, that's fine"." Not sure why people are trying to cover this up.

It's not covering I up. The people that commented, including the one you quote are part of the project .

You are sincere. I believe this is not a cover-up but more of a misunderstanding. Think this way: many people coming to that github thread don't know who are core rust devs but they can clearly see the second commenter is involved. That comment denied this being a major issue and concluded the decision was made as a team. To the public and perhaps some kernel devs, this may be interpreted as the official attitude.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Always funny to me to read something like that. HN has high moderation, one of the highest I've seen on modern fora, only a few steps below r/AskHistorians for example. I don't see this "abuse, bigotry, and nastiness" here and even if there are comments like that, they are quickly downvoted and dead.

HN is pretty low moderation across the axis of personal attacks. If you politely say a ad hominem or racist or *-phobic thing here, it's unlikely you'll be moderated for it, for instance. I can dig up many such examples, but I suspect the response would be, "of course that's not moderated" because this community has a different set of values than some others. Moderation is always an editorial action, and as such we t…

That doesn't match my experience of what we do, so I'd like to see those "many such examples".

IMO, if you're going to make charges like this, which would be serious if they were true, you should include links so readers can make up their own minds.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Rust, which is a language I really enjoy, generates more social media outrage and religious wars than any other technical project I have been following for the past 20 years.

> more social media outrage and religious wars than any other technical project I have been following for the past 20 years. It is unfortunately wrapped up in larger-scale outrage culture than just within tech/programming circles. Rust as a community is very gay and very trans: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2024/02/19/2023-Rust-Annual-Surve... https://blog.rust-lang.org/2025/02/13/2024-State-Of-Rust-Sur... To be clear I…

> Rust undoubtedly has the highest concentration of any programming-language community. Zero question.

How can you know this? What other communities even have such surveys?

I would expect this to be similar in any language. Anecdotally, I see the % of gay/trans/neurodivergent to be much higher in the dev community than the general population, so the numbers don’t look strange to me.

Perhaps it’s more vocal or more visible, but that would require much more analysis to enquire about cause and effect.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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If Marcan (Hector Martin) is serious about quitting Linux development, he will stop contributing to the project using his Asahi Lina persona as well. Until then this is just empty posturing trying to elicit a reaction from the community.

What exactly is the basis for the claim that this is the same person?

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Good for them for at least understanding at that point. The typical response is to say "I get that, I really do—can you move this one to the front of the line for me?" and then maybe a vague threat like "I can talk to your manager if it would help".

I always invited them to talk to my manager if they wished. "If you can get my manager to tell me to do the thing, I'll happily do it." I got along great with the sales guys. They could understand that kind of thing.

That is because they know they have the most influence and can get to #1 most of the time :)

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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> But "compatibility" needs to be defined precisely. Compatibility is defined precisely! You're definition requires scare quotes. You want to define it "Precisely" so that you can permit incompatible behavior. No one who cares about compatibility does that, it's just an excuse. Look, other languages do this differently. Those of use using C99 booleans know we need to include a separate header to avoid colliding with…

I think you are trying very hard to disagree on basic stuff that works very similarly across different language ecosystems, and (looking at other responses) that you're very angry. Disengaging.

I'll point out again that C, the poster child for ancient language technology, has been able to evolve its syntax and feature set with attention to not breaking legacy code. Excusing the lack of such attention via linguistic trickery about "defining compatibility precisely" does indeed kinda irk me. And disengaging doesn't win the argument.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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[Putting my dusty Linux Distro Maintainer Hat on] First of all, I wholeheartedly applaud Marcan for carrying the project this far. They, both as individuals and as a team proper, did great things. What I can say is a rest is well deserved at this point, because he really poured his soul into this and worn himself down. On the other hand, I'll need to say something, however not in bad faith. He needs to stop fighting…

> He needs to stop fighting with the winds he can't control. Users gonna be users, and people gonna be people. Everyone won't be happy, never ever. Right - but it kinda sounds like he's facing headwinds in a lot of different directions. Headwinds from Apple, who are indifferent to the project, stingy with documentation, and not inclined to reduce their own rate of change. Headwinds from users, because of the stripped…

Another uphill battle that I haven't seen anyone mention is just how good mobile AMD chips got a year or so after the M1 release. I wouldn't buy a Mac to run Linux on it when I can buy a Lenovo with equally soldered parts that'll work well with the OS I wanna run already.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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> But then also came the entitled users. This time, it wasn’t about stealing games, it was about features. “When is Thunderbolt coming?” “Asahi is useless to me until I can use monitors over USB-C” “The battery life sucks compared to macOS” (nobody ever complained when compared to x86 laptops…) “I can’t even check my CPU temperature” (yes, I seriously got that one). This sounds so rough. I can't imagine pouring your…

why not tag it as pre-alpha, not suitable for daily use? Saying smoothest linux experience on one side and expecting people to not expect basic features of the hardware working...how does that work?

"Heavily under development and not ready for prime time use" should have been first line in readme and only reply to such feature request.

So it sounds like they bit more than they could chew.

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