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Bosses are fed up with remote work

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Re: Bosses are fed up with remote work

#11

I just had to fire a remote worker for egregious and persistent timecard fraud. I was all about remote worker before that happened.

So because of a bad actor, nobody gets anything nice?

Guess we should pull the plug entirely on this civilization idea.

Re: Bosses are fed up with remote work

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This again. If this was truly the case, then they would put an immediate stop to the offshoring / nearshoring that has been rampant in the industry for the last 20 years. Not a single push back against the H1B/Offshoring happening in the US. Keep it up corporate america... you going to have your next competiton being created by you from those remote workers banding together.

> This again. If this was truly the case, then they would put an immediate stop to the offshoring / nearshoring that has been rampant in the industry for the last 20 years.

I'm on your side but your logic doesn't really follow here. Firstly because most offshoring arrangements are not work-from-home arrangements, they involve hiring people working in an office, just in another country. Secondly because it's a lot more palatable to pay someone who you suspect isn't giving the job 100% when you're paying them one tenth the salary of a local hire.

Re: Bosses are fed up with remote work

#13
A yapping line manager throwing endless status update meetings for filling a spreadsheet must be easily automated even with today's AI, far more than replacing actual productive jobs such as software development.

The only thing holding this back is empire building pyramid constructions.

They think in person rather than zoom will save their ass.

Re: Bosses are fed up with remote work

#15

I just had to fire a remote worker for egregious and persistent timecard fraud. I was all about remote worker before that happened.

So because of a bad actor, nobody gets anything nice? Guess we should pull the plug entirely on this civilization idea.

In my 10+ years of being on a fully remote team, we had one person who was lying about doing their job, and it was immediately obvious since the work wasn't getting done. Generally, everyone's job has some kind of output or interaction with others that would give away that they weren't doing the job. If not, then being in the office or not isn't going to change the situation.

Re: Bosses are fed up with remote work

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post #3

This again. If this was truly the case, then they would put an immediate stop to the offshoring / nearshoring that has been rampant in the industry for the last 20 years. Not a single push back against the H1B/Offshoring happening in the US. Keep it up corporate america... you going to have your next competiton being created by you from those remote workers banding together.

Money talks. If I'm paying $150k for a US-based engineer and I'm getting poor output as a result of them working remotely, the downside is considerable and I have a strong incentive to improve their output, especially since I can , assuming they are located near an office. If I'm paying $40k for an off/near-shore engineer, the financial downside is lower, and besides what can I really do about it since they don't liv…

Money doesn't always talk. Me (programmer) a sysadmin and a DBA ran a Visa level 1 merchant's credit card processing for 2 years. The last year we had zero downtime outside of scheduled maintenance windows. The company offshored my job ("we can pay 3-4 people in Bangalore with your salary"). The next year they had lots of downtime, probably more than enough to pay my salary. I expect offshoring was considered a success, because that company has outsourced and offshores everything but lawyers and C-levels. Now, they can no longer offer static IP addresses to customers, and haven't managed to do IPv6.

Re: Bosses are fed up with remote work

#17
TFA claims remote workers work 3.5 hours per day less than in person workers. This makes me question the whole article honestly.

On one hand, I am not surprised given the tiktok remote worker trends during early pandemic. But I doubt this holds for all job types, workers, or industries.

OTOH, I work 10-11 hrs per day because I can. It's relaxing to have extra time or to get ahead and not have to commute. I can work when I'm productive (early AM). When I can't, I work 8 and it feels light. That flexibility is incredible and I'd bargain hard for it.

I refuse to believe I'm an outlier I've only ever worked with folks like me.

Re: Bosses are fed up with remote work

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post #3

This again. If this was truly the case, then they would put an immediate stop to the offshoring / nearshoring that has been rampant in the industry for the last 20 years. Not a single push back against the H1B/Offshoring happening in the US. Keep it up corporate america... you going to have your next competiton being created by you from those remote workers banding together.

Money talks. If I'm paying $150k for a US-based engineer and I'm getting poor output as a result of them working remotely, the downside is considerable and I have a strong incentive to improve their output, especially since I can , assuming they are located near an office. If I'm paying $40k for an off/near-shore engineer, the financial downside is lower, and besides what can I really do about it since they don't liv…

Research mostly seems to indicate that remote work increases productivity.

Re: Bosses are fed up with remote work

#20

No, they’re fed up with underperforming fraudsters that work 3 hours per day and have the productivity of 10% of proper working employees, yet still get paid 200k+

So fire them? Someone with 10% output should easily be recognizable.

But that is the thing:

- this requires effort on behalf of the manager ( it can be harder to do remotely ) - manager's openly say they want you to ask for more ( they don't know how to manage you or how much you can do, because they just throw what they think sounds about right )

I guess what I am saying is:

Managers don't know if your output is below expected 10% ( especially the bad ones, which, anecdotally based on corporate experience, is a non-trivial percentage ).

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