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Regardless of whether hector is asahi Lina or not, the whole vtuber doing work that's important to a lot of people has a kinda off vibe and makes me a bit uncomfortable.
Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead
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Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And then he can't help himself. After being so reasonable, he throws shade on Rust. Shade that is just unfortunately, just false? Many discussions online (and offline) suffer from a huge-group of people who just can't stop themselves from making their knee-jerk reactions public, and then not thinking about it more. I remember the "Filesystem in Rust" video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiPp9YEBV0Q&t=1529s ) whe…
> You can literally shove facts in someone's face, and they won't admit to being wrong or misunderstand, and instead continue to argue against some points whose premise isn't even true. I think that's part of the gag. "These people are members of a community who care about where they live... So what I hear is people caring very loudly at me." -- Leslie Knope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=areUGfOHkMA
>"These people are members of a community who care about where they live... So what I hear is people caring very loudly at me." -- Leslie Knope
that's a very healthy and - I feel - correct attitude towards this kind of criticism. I love when wisdom comes from stupid places.
Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead
#233I wonder how much of this is fueled by the economic model of Asahi. marcan had indicated donations are down, and it's hard to support ones livelihood just from donations alone - especially when they are down. https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/c5a49bcb-45cf-4295-80...
My perspective is it might be a chicken-or-egg problem. I would willingly donate to the Asahi project...if/when I were to buy a Macbook for the purpose of running Asahi Linux on it. And I've been watching from the sidelines, waiting for Asahi Linux to become "stable" enough to consider buying a Macbook and putting Asahi Linux on it.
I was an early donator to marcan and never expected any delivery from Asahi project, just thought that the idea of having Linux of Apple Silicon was awesome and worthy of my support.
But then marcan told his supportes to fuck off unless they commit to supporting his political ideas, which I was not willing to do.
I guess this comment will be seen as abuse from the HN crowd. Oh well...
Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead
#234Marcan links to an email by Ted Tso'o ( https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250208204416.GL1130956@mit.ed... ) that is interesting to read. Although it starts on a polarising note ("thin blue line"), it does a good job of explaining the difficulties that Linux maintainers face and why they make the choices they do. It makes sense to be extremely adversarial about accepting code because they're on the hook for maintaining…
> Any backwards incompatibilities are explicitly opt-in through the edition system, or fixing a compiler bug.
This is a very persistent myth, but it’s wrong. Adding any public method to any impl can break BC (because its name might conflict with a user-defined method in a trait), and the Rust project adds methods to standard library impls all the time.
Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead
#235Marcan links to an email by Ted Tso'o ( https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250208204416.GL1130956@mit.ed... ) that is interesting to read. Although it starts on a polarising note ("thin blue line"), it does a good job of explaining the difficulties that Linux maintainers face and why they make the choices they do. It makes sense to be extremely adversarial about accepting code because they're on the hook for maintaining…
These are often the same classification of individual who tend to modify their viewpoints towards “change is progressing rapidly in an area that I don’t understand and this scares me.” Anytime an expert in a particular area has their expertise challenged or even threatened by a new technology it is perfectly human to react in a way that is defensive towards the perceived threat. Part of growth as a human is recognizing our perceived biases and attempting to mitigate them, hopefully extending this into other areas of our lives as well. After all, NIMBYS probably started out with reasonable justifications for why they want to keep their communities the way they currently are - it’s comfortable and it works, and they’re a significant contributor to the community. Any external “threat” to this concept becomes elevated to a moral crusade against the invaders who are encroaching upon their land, when really they’re jousting against windmills.
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> Then 2024 happened. Last year was incredibly tumultuous for me due to personal reasons which I won’t go into detail about. Suffice it to say, I ended up traveling for most of the year, all the while having to handle various abusers and stalkers who harassed and attacked me and my family (and continue to do so).
Yeah but what did you expect, donations to go up during that period, stay the same or go down?
Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead
#237First of all, yay Asahi — one of the great modern hacking / hacker stories in my opinion. Second, what’s the drama? I read the blog, and I’m guessing that on top of being burned out, which sucks, Marcan didn’t like a kernel developer using the phrase “we are the thin blue line” implies he’s politically liberal, in the US sense. He then says he may have been toxic on Mastodon, which might have got him secretly cancele…
Thank you for pointing out the blue line comment, I didn’t grasp it and continued. If you are right I’m saddened to see this type of politics being played in the kernel development. Especially since the Russian maintainer incident.
Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead
#238> primarily due to the very large fraction of entitled users I think anyone working in serious open source projects just need to learn to ignore those users. I definitely would have the attitude of "I'm perfectly fine if no one uses my product" and have a lot of fun banning entitled users left and right.
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Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead
#239Marcan links to an email by Ted Tso'o ( https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250208204416.GL1130956@mit.ed... ) that is interesting to read. Although it starts on a polarising note ("thin blue line"), it does a good job of explaining the difficulties that Linux maintainers face and why they make the choices they do. It makes sense to be extremely adversarial about accepting code because they're on the hook for maintaining…
> Rust has a stability guarantee since 1.0 in 2015. Any backwards incompatibilities are explicitly opt-in through the edition system, or fixing a compiler bug. Unfortunately OP has a valid point regarding Rust's lack of commitment to backwards compatibility. Rust has a number of things that can break you that are not considered breaking changes. For example, implementing a trait (like Drop) on a type is a breaking ch…
I'm curious now. What are the backwards compatibility guarantees for C?
Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't doubt him about the stalking problem (by online trolls, not necessarily IRL). He was a prominent voice in the trans supporter community and was regularly attacked by Kiwifarms.
Well, if anyone broke the law or harmed him he needs to go to law enforcement or the FBI. Outside of that, just get used to be thrown abuse of all kinds. If you get tagged by a group like that the more you talk about them the more you give them ammo.
> Well, if anyone broke the law or harmed him he needs to go to law enforcement or the FBI
I think it's naive to suggest this would achieve anything when the platform is anonymous and he was based outside the US.
> Outside of that, just get used to be thrown abuse of all kinds.
This is far easier to say than to do. Particularly when you have a public profile as part of your work.
> If you get tagged by a group like that the more you talk about them the more you give them ammo.
Agreed but that still doesn't make it easy to ignore.