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U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by graeme »

varsketiz wrote: post #27
Shank wrote: post #5

I think this is an unquestionable overreach on the UK's part. If you live in any country that isn't the UK, you should feel the threat from this: the UK government believes that it is entitled to a backdoor on your hardware, even if you've never stepped a foot on UK soil or intend to. Mass surveillance is a threat to everyone, but this is not an instance of that, which has guards against it, like encryption. This is…

> This is a dramatic overreach of authority. Well, the rest of the world lives with the USA constantly doing this. Hopefully you dont support that as well.

The US does not require Apple to make a backdoor to its encryption.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

whatever1 wrote: post #21
freedomben wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is the problem? If Elon and a bunch of randos can have access why the UK cannot? Surely if they make a large enough donation to the west wing a deal can be made! Are you really implying that Elon has a back door into encryption in the US? You probably better cite a source for that one cause that's deep conspiracy theory territory

What encryption ? He is given the keys to confidential federal documents, systems and lists.

Which is not the topic we are discussing here, and is therefore a complete non sequitur.

Do you have anything to say about the topic at hand?

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by nickslaughter02 »

In case you're wondering why there hasn't been any reaction from the EU, it's probably because EU has long waged war on encryption and would like to have access too.

"Anonymity is not a fundamental right": experts disagree with Europol chief's request for encryption back door (January 22, 2025)

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/anonymity...

EU anti-encryption crusaders seek to turn your digital devices into spyware (June 12, 2024)

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/eu-anti-e...

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by wellthisisgreat »

varsketiz wrote: post #27
Shank wrote: post #5

I think this is an unquestionable overreach on the UK's part. If you live in any country that isn't the UK, you should feel the threat from this: the UK government believes that it is entitled to a backdoor on your hardware, even if you've never stepped a foot on UK soil or intend to. Mass surveillance is a threat to everyone, but this is not an instance of that, which has guards against it, like encryption. This is…

> This is a dramatic overreach of authority. Well, the rest of the world lives with the USA constantly doing this. Hopefully you dont support that as well.

Well there is still a HUGE difference between some backroom dealing that blows up in government’s face in the most scandalous, generation defining way when it gets exposed, and a bunch of power-hungry troglodytes saying they want to play Orwellian villains in the open.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by kstrauser »

gmueckl wrote: post #20
kstrauser wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this specific case: good. I don’t want USA companies cooperating with UK’s extremist policies like this one.

Companies cannot really stand up to governments. Unless another government gets involved, Apple will have to follow UK law if they want to keep doing business in that country. By the way, the US is not a stranger to that kind of overreach, either (e.g. CLOUD act).

Whatabout.

Apple’s market cap is greater than UK’s GDP. Giant companies have a long tradition of flouting British authority.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

wiredfool wrote: post #19
Frieren wrote: post #6

European countries and the USA have an increased misalignment as the USA becomes more radicalized and less willing to work with other countries.

This is pretty clearly against EU principles. If anything this is more like a US alignment than a EU alignment. It's pretty in line with their online protection act though, which is threatening jurisdiction over worldwide websites, no matter the size and with no clear guidance as to what a significant audience in the UK means.

After Brexit, EU principles are less relevant.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by Workaccount2 »

graeme wrote: post #31
varsketiz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is a dramatic overreach of authority. Well, the rest of the world lives with the USA constantly doing this. Hopefully you dont support that as well.

The US does not require Apple to make a backdoor to its encryption.

But it is greatly in the interest of US agencies to perpetuate conspiracies that they have access to all data, all the time, with no court needed.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by gman83 »

Why is it ok that the American government have a backdoor & have access to all non-American's personal data, but when the UK/EU wants something similar, suddenly it's a massive outrage. Is it just "we're stronger than you", so it's ok when we do it?
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