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I wrote a static web page and accidentally started a community (2023)

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Re: I wrote a static web page and accidentally started a community (2023)

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Post by diggan »

rzzzt wrote: post #115
diggan wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way is that "No"? The docs say: > Docker routes container traffic in the nat table, which means that packets are diverted before it reaches the INPUT and OUTPUT chains that ufw uses. Packets are routed before the firewall rules can be applied, effectively ignoring your firewall configuration. So docker is "effectively" ignoring your firewall in the case of ufw. I don't see how it can be considered to not igno…

NAT rules are still firewall (netfilter, iptables - note the plural) territory, ufw is a frontend for iptables to simplify creating rules. Does Docker violate the principle of least surprise? Yes. Was I bitten by this behavior? Definitely. Does it bypass the firewall? No.

I dunno. If I use UFW on Ubuntu, I use it as a firewall, and applications that ignores my firewall, I'd consider them to be ignoring my firewall, regardless if the details say that it's still using NAT rules so technically it's just ignoring one firewall/something not called a firewall, even though it ignores the firewall you've setup.

To be frank, it kind of feels like the kind of technical nitpick argument I'd read from a Docker Inc employee trying to somehow defend ignoring the user's firewall.

The end result is that you setup rules in UFW, and Docker ignores them.

Re: I wrote a static web page and accidentally started a community (2023)

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Post by dplgk »

indymike wrote: post #72
zwnow wrote: post #27

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Wasn't the reason for SSR to have more control over security and offload work from the client to the server? Let's not forget that the majority of the worlds population is using slow ass tech. We cant simply put huge workloads to the client.

I think the main drive for the modern version SSR was SEO. The workload part? the whole point of SPAs was to move compute - especially fancy UI compute down to the client so the server only had to move data... so we're just completing the circle again.

Funny that bad SEO was a big strike against Flash and a reason to move to HTML5

Re: I wrote a static web page and accidentally started a community (2023)

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Post by rollcat »

WorldMaker wrote: post #82
rollcat wrote: post #46

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I would still prefer to have my stuff synced between devices. Files are OK for data that doesn't change much (your music/photo/book library) - Syncthing works great there. CRDTs allow for conflict-free edits where raw files start falling short (calendars, TODOs, etc). I'd love to see something like Syncthing for CRDTs, so that local-first can take the next logical step forward and go cloud-free.

The other day I was riffing on ideas on what if Browsers had a third Storage called `roamingStorage`. Keep it the simple, stupid key/value store interface of localStorage and sessionStorage, but allow it to roam between your devices (like classic Windows %RoamingAppData% on a network/domain configured for it). It doesn't even "need" a full sync engine like CRDTs at the browser level, if it did something as simple and…

Look up CloudKit[1], many of these questions have been answered for Apple-native apps, but perhaps it's not obvious how to translate that to the web-world, or how to keep the object storage decentralised (but self-hosted shouldn't be a problem).

I'm also firmly in the native app camp. And again, Apple did this right. The web interface to iCloud works great from both Firefox and Chromium, even on OpenBSD, even with E2EE enabled (you have to authorise the session from an Apple device you own, but that's actually a great way to protect it and I don't mind the extra step).

It's probably harder to answer those questions if you can't build the solution around a device with a secure element. But there's a lot of food for thought here.

[1]: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/cloudkit/

Re: I wrote a static web page and accidentally started a community (2023)

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Post by rssoconnor »

rglullis wrote: post #89

From something I wrote in 2021 [0] and based on my experience working on a "browser-based OS" in 2013: What we need is to have a device-transparent way to see our *data*. We got so used to the idea that web applications let us work from "dumb terminals" that we failed to realize that *there is no such thing as a dumb terminal anymore*. With multi-core smartphones, many of them with 4, 8, 12, 16GB of RAM; it's not too…

> can I solve this with Syncthing?

I recently found out that Syncthing is ending Android support. :(

Re: I wrote a static web page and accidentally started a community (2023)

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Post by WorldMaker »

rollcat wrote: post #123
WorldMaker wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other day I was riffing on ideas on what if Browsers had a third Storage called `roamingStorage`. Keep it the simple, stupid key/value store interface of localStorage and sessionStorage, but allow it to roam between your devices (like classic Windows %RoamingAppData% on a network/domain configured for it). It doesn't even "need" a full sync engine like CRDTs at the browser level, if it did something as simple and…

Look up CloudKit[1], many of these questions have been answered for Apple-native apps, but perhaps it's not obvious how to translate that to the web-world, or how to keep the object storage decentralised (but self-hosted shouldn't be a problem). I'm also firmly in the native app camp. And again, Apple did this right. The web interface to iCloud works great from both Firefox and Chromium, even on OpenBSD, even with E2…

> I'm also firmly in the native app camp.

Then you are answering the wrong question. I want a "web native" answer and proposed a simple modification of existing Web APIs. As a mixed iOS/Windows/Linux user, I have selfish reasons to want a cross-device solution that works at the Firefox standardized level. Even outside of the selfish reason, the kinds of "apps" I've been building that could use simple device-to-device sync have just as many or sometimes more Android users than Apple device users. I've also seen some interesting mixes there too among my users (Android phone, iPadOS device, Windows device; all Chrome browser ecosystem though).

> It's probably harder to answer those questions if you can't build the solution around a device with a secure element.

Raw Passkey support rates are really high. Even Windows 10 devices stuck on Windows 10 because no TPM 2.0 still often have reasonably secure TPM 1.0 hardware.

Piggybacking on Passkey roaming standards may be a possibility here, though mixed ecosystem users will need ways to "merge" Passkey-based roaming for the same reasons they need ways to register multiple Passkeys to an app. (I need at least two keys, sometimes three, for my collection of devices today/cross-ecosystem needs, again selfishly at least.)

Re: I wrote a static web page and accidentally started a community (2023)

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Post by yonz »

tobilg wrote: post #120

I created https://sql-workbench.com a while ago, mainly to let people analyze data that's available via http sources, or on their local machines, w/o having to install anything. A recent project is https://shrink.video , which is using the WASM version of ffmpeg to shrink or convert video in the user's browser itself, for privacy and similar reasons mentioned before.

Nice

Re: I wrote a static web page and accidentally started a community (2023)

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Post by yonz »

bzmrgonz wrote: post #101

You should know that the website localfirstweb.dev shows as blacklisted on avast and avg viruses. It doesn't like a site reference called strut.io. claiming it is a card stealer.

That's just nuts, I'll look into it. I know the guy that built strut and I run the lfw site.

Re: I wrote a static web page and accidentally started a community (2023)

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Post by wim »

pillefitz wrote: post #119
wim wrote: post #57

Another aspect of local-first I'm exploring is trying to combine it with the ability to make the backend sync server available for local self-hosting as well. In our case we're building a local-first multiplayer "IDE for tasks and notes" [1] where the syncing or "cloud" component adds features like real-time collaboration, permission controls and so on. Local-first ensures the principles mentioned in the article like…

If I can host the backend myself, does it imply it's not a commercial offering?

I think it's not too different from downloadable software, so it doesn't rule out commercial services (we plan on both paid and free versions).

Re: I wrote a static web page and accidentally started a community (2023)

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

julianeon wrote: post #104
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #37

This ties in nicely with the bookmarking discussion about Pinboard. I particularly like the following quote from this article: > Now, of course, there are many advantages to this shift: collaboration, backups, multi-device access, and so on. But it’s a trade! In exchange, we’ve lost the ability to work offline, user experience and performance, and indeed true dominion over our own data. I’ve decided that the advantag…

> I’ve decided that the advantages of storing my bookmarks locally far outweigh the chance that I'll want to access them from a different device or collaborate with someone else on them. Yes, it means I've created something of a 'silo', but I'm starting to think that's not a bad thing. Why don't you store those bookmarks as markdown files and then upload them to a private repo you can read on other devices and even y…

Aren't GitHub private repos frees now?
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