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Smuggling arbitrary data through an emoji
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Re: Smuggling arbitrary data through an emoji
#32I love the idea of using this for LLM output watermarking. It hits the sweet spot - will catch 99% of slop generators with no fuss, since they only copy and paste anyway, almost no impact on other core use cases.
I wonder how much you’d embed with each letter or token that’s output - userid, prompt ref, date, token number?
I also wonder how this is interpreted in a terminal. Really cool!
Re: Smuggling arbitrary data through an emoji
#33The tokenizer catches it: https://platform.openai.com/tokenizer.
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#34FWIW, we considered this technique back at Pebble to make notifications more actionable and even filed a patent for that (sorry!) https://patents.justia.com/patent/9411785 Back then on iOS via ANCS, the watches wouldn't receive much more than the textual payload you'd see on the phone. We envisioned to be working with partners such as WhatsApp et al. to encode deep links/message ids into the message so one could resp…
Would this patent cover just the encoding alone? The first sentence says:
> A method, apparatus, and system relating to embedding hidden content within a Unicode message and using the hidden content to perform a particular computer action.
So, in my extremely unqualified opinion, just the encoding technique alone is not covered by the patent, only when combined with some action performed based on the encoding?
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#35FWIW, we considered this technique back at Pebble to make notifications more actionable and even filed a patent for that (sorry!) https://patents.justia.com/patent/9411785 Back then on iOS via ANCS, the watches wouldn't receive much more than the textual payload you'd see on the phone. We envisioned to be working with partners such as WhatsApp et al. to encode deep links/message ids into the message so one could resp…
So whoever now owns that patent (Google? maybe some patent troll picked it up?) could, in theory, sue the author of this article for patent infringement, right? Even though they invented it independently and never once used or looked at your patent. Do you think you made the world a better place or a worse place by filing that patent?
Well, given that the technique itself makes the world a worse place, anything that impedes its use is probably positive...
And, no, they couldn't do anything meaningful to the author of the article. They could get them ordered not to do it any more, and they could recover their economic damages... which are obviously zero.
Re: Smuggling arbitrary data through an emoji
#36FWIW, we considered this technique back at Pebble to make notifications more actionable and even filed a patent for that (sorry!) https://patents.justia.com/patent/9411785 Back then on iOS via ANCS, the watches wouldn't receive much more than the textual payload you'd see on the phone. We envisioned to be working with partners such as WhatsApp et al. to encode deep links/message ids into the message so one could resp…
So whoever now owns that patent (Google? maybe some patent troll picked it up?) could, in theory, sue the author of this article for patent infringement, right? Even though they invented it independently and never once used or looked at your patent. Do you think you made the world a better place or a worse place by filing that patent?
_Can_ they sue them for patent infringement? They just described a technique (that you can see in the patent filing anyway) and not selling a product based on it. I think there's nothing to sue here. I'm curious is my understanding of this is correct.
Re: Smuggling arbitrary data through an emoji
#37I'm not too surprised by this, but I'm annoyed that no amount of configuration made those bytes visible again in my editor. Only using hexdump revealed them.
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#38More generally, you can use encoding formats that reserve uninterpreted byte sequences for future use to pass data that is only readable by receivers who know what you're doing, though note this not a cryptographically secure scheme and any sort of statistical analysis can reveal what you're doing.
The png spec, for instance, allows you to include as many metadata chunks as you wish, and these may be used to hold data that cannot be used by any mainstream png reader. We used this in the Navy to embed geolocation and sensor origin data that was readable by specialized viewers that only the Navy had, but if you opened the file in a browser or common image viewer, it would either ignore or discard the unknown chunks.
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#39I'm not too surprised by this, but I'm annoyed that no amount of configuration made those bytes visible again in my editor. Only using hexdump revealed them.
My mind went the same place.
Anyone know a more convenient way to search larger blocks of text for this?
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