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Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible: US Legal Immigration Rules Explained

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The US can use a lot more legal immigration. There's nothing wrong with a skill-based immigration program that doesn't necessarily only select for Nobel prize winners. With another hundred million people, and improved land use, we're talking perhaps another 100 years of Pax Americana. I think American should do this for her own sake and for the sake of humanity.

Nobel Prize winners are only allowed because the country is overwhelmed with illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, and refugees who contribute little to the system.

However, there is a group that benefits from undocumented workers taking underpaid, off-the-books jobs, and they hold significant influence in policymaking.

Re: Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible: US Legal Immigration Rules Explained

#32

Just because someone wants to immigrate to the US doesn't mean they should be allowed. This is the underlying truth that is indisputable. This article says that it grants 1 million green cards per year to legal immigrants, which is extremely generous. To say it's "nearly impossible" is absurd. I myself, my wife, and 80% of my friends are all legal immigrants to the US.

It really isn't very hard to get a temporary O1 Visa, which can turn into a permanent E1/E2 visa. You just have to be extra-ordinary in your field. Pretty much every country wants to import people they know will make their country a better place—even North Korea lets Americans ("the enemy") teach at their universities—and it's not hard to demonstrate this.

> You just have to be extra-ordinary in your field.

So pretty much most HN commenters, then.

Re: Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible: US Legal Immigration Rules Explained

#33

It's interesting how Cato, that would once have been considered relatively fringe, is ending up opposing some of the more nationalist instincts of the administration.

Not really - this is just more Koch free-trade “libertarianism” where the costs are socialized and benefits accrue to only the wealthiest capitalists. Par for the course for Cato.

The benefits don’t accrue to the capitalists they accrue to consumers.

Capitalists don’t get rich stealing from workers. The get rich improving the lives of consumers.

Re: Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible: US Legal Immigration Rules Explained

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post #4

Conclusion: "The administration should loosen all the restrictions that it has imposed above and beyond what Congress has required, and Congress should overhaul the system to open legal immigration for any person willing to work to contribute to the success of the United States." In other words, we should "promptly admit a majority of the 158 million who told Gallup that they would want to come," according to the 201…

We don't ask of every baby that is being born in the US how they will make the country better. But if given the option to bring in a fully grown adult, who already saves us the cost of an education, is of prime working age, and wants to be in this country, we suddenly care?

When every US citizen who wants a job in the US has one, one they can live off of with a living wage, sure, it’s up for a conversation (when legitimate labor shortages exist vs faux shortages leveraged as labor cost controls).

Why am I going to support immigration that drives down wages for capital returns? Because it makes “the country” more wealthy by making a select few wealthier? Ineffective policy imho. I am never going to be super wealthy, so why would I advocate for such policy? I will always be closer to a minimum wage worker. Some may call the rhetoric “class consciousness”; I think it’s simply being macro economically rational.

Re: Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible: US Legal Immigration Rules Explained

#35

Just because someone wants to immigrate to the US doesn't mean they should be allowed. This is the underlying truth that is indisputable. This article says that it grants 1 million green cards per year to legal immigrants, which is extremely generous. To say it's "nearly impossible" is absurd. I myself, my wife, and 80% of my friends are all legal immigrants to the US.

> 1 million green cards per year to legal immigrants, which is extremely generous

That's a 0.3% rate. How is that "extremely generous"?

Re: Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible: US Legal Immigration Rules Explained

#36
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good thing for those classes of people you just mentioned (governments, business owners). For everyone else it's just increased competition.

I'm pretty sure that's a pretty reductive take, and if you believe that then you should be ok with decreasing birth rates as well? Every baby born today could be competition for you or your kids in ~16-30 years.

I'll bite. Quality of life in terms of natural resources available only goes down with more people. I'd be much happier with maybe 25% of current population level.

Re: Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible: US Legal Immigration Rules Explained

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really isn't very hard to get a temporary O1 Visa, which can turn into a permanent E1/E2 visa. You just have to be extra-ordinary in your field. Pretty much every country wants to import people they know will make their country a better place—even North Korea lets Americans ("the enemy") teach at their universities—and it's not hard to demonstrate this.

> You just have to be extra-ordinary in your field. So pretty much most HN commenters, then.

Seems like implicit bias. "Many people in my circle have an H1-B visa, thus it is far from impossible to get one."

Re: Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible: US Legal Immigration Rules Explained

#38
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good thing for those classes of people you just mentioned (governments, business owners). For everyone else it's just increased competition.

The business owners don’t get rich from the reduced wages, the consumers do.

Only if the consumers are independently wealthy. Ask any business owner if they will make more money with reducing their workforce wages.

Re: Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible: US Legal Immigration Rules Explained

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All immigration is GDP additive and increases the market for goods and tax income for governments. It offsets low birth rates. If there is a labor shortage it will reduce inflation. Of course there many considerations but generally it's a good thing.

It's a good thing for those classes of people you just mentioned (governments, business owners). For everyone else it's just increased competition.

Hardly, they're also customers and employers. Also governments are the people, they spend taxes for their benefit.

Re: Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible: US Legal Immigration Rules Explained

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post #31

The US can use a lot more legal immigration. There's nothing wrong with a skill-based immigration program that doesn't necessarily only select for Nobel prize winners. With another hundred million people, and improved land use, we're talking perhaps another 100 years of Pax Americana. I think American should do this for her own sake and for the sake of humanity.

Nobel Prize winners are only allowed because the country is overwhelmed with illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, and refugees who contribute little to the system. However, there is a group that benefits from undocumented workers taking underpaid, off-the-books jobs, and they hold significant influence in policymaking.

Isn't "contributing little to the system" and "taking underpaid jobs" a contradiction? If you are taking a job, you are contributing to the system.
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