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Firing programmers for AI is a mistake

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Re: Firing programmers for AI is a mistake

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post #3

"Let AI replace programmers" is the new "Let’s outsource everything to ." Short-term cost savings, long-term disaster.

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Every job in the world is discriminatory if you take the less potent definition of the word. That's why we have job interviews, to explicitly discriminate. I presume you mean "discriminate in a bad way" but given the context I have no idea what that "bad way" is. Outsourcing has costs outside of just the up front payments, that isn't a secret and it has very little to do with technical expertise. Most software driven companies don't fall apart because of poorly implemented algorithms, they are more likely to do so because the humans have a difficult time interfacing in efficient ways and understanding and working towards the same goal together.

You can't just expect people from other countries to communicate as effectively as people who grew up right down the street from each other. Yes, it's objectively discriminatory, but not for hostile reasons.

Re: Firing programmers for AI is a mistake

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What evidence do we have that AI is actually replacing programmers already? The article treats messaging on this as a forgone conclusion, but I strongly suspect it's all hype-cycle BS to cover layoffs, or a misreading of "Meta pivots to AI" headlines.

Re: Firing programmers for AI is a mistake

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post #12

Many people are missing the point. The strategy for AI usage is not a long-term strategy to make the world more productive. If companies can save a buck this year, companies will do it. Period. The average manager has short-term goals that needs to fulfill, and if they can use AI to fulfill them they will do it, future be damned. To reign in on long-term consequences has always been part of government and regulations…

There's probably a 1 - 3 year half time on business critical applicatios created by generative AI. Longer for stuff nobody cares about.

Take a 1 - 3 year sabbatical, then charge 1000% markup when the AI slop owners come calling begging you to fix the stuff nobody understands.

Re: Firing programmers for AI is a mistake

#124

It seems that a lot of companies are skating where they hope the puck to go instead of hedging their bets for an uncertain future. Personally I would at least wait until the big AI players fire everyone before doing the same.

They are skating where bleachers full of hype men are screaming that the puck will go.

Re: Firing programmers for AI is a mistake

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once AI achieves runaway self improvement, it will be subject to natural selection pressures. This does not bode well for any organisms competing in its niche for data center resources.

This doesn't sound right, seems like you are jumping metaphors. The computing resources are the limit on the evolution speed. There's nothing that makes an individual desirous of a faster evolution speed.

>>The computing resources are the limit on the evolution speed.

Energy resources too. In fact it might be the only limit to how far this can go.

Re: Firing programmers for AI is a mistake

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What evidence do we have that AI is actually replacing programmers already? The article treats messaging on this as a forgone conclusion, but I strongly suspect it's all hype-cycle BS to cover layoffs, or a misreading of "Meta pivots to AI" headlines.

Even if it is a cover, many smaller companies follow the expressed reasoning of the larger ones.

Re: Firing programmers for AI is a mistake

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post #11

We have fired all our programmers. However, the AI is hard to work with, it expects specific wording in order to program our code as expected. We have hired people with expertise in the specific language needed to transmit our specifications to the AI with more precision.

I think people aren't getting your joke.

Re: Firing programmers for AI is a mistake

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post #59

Is that actually a thing? Anybody here being replaced with AI? I haven't observed any such trends around me and it's especially hard to imagine that happening in "tech" (the software industry). At this stage of AI development of course - if things continue at this pace anything is possible.

Agreed, hiring has slowed down but this seems more caused by the end of the zero interest rate era. At most I see low level copywriting and low level translation jobs in danger where it is a simpler input/output job flow

Of course it's just macroeconomics, but AI is serving as an "optimistic" reason for layoffs and cost cutting. It's not the same old spreadsheets putting out different results, it's a new era.

Re: Firing programmers for AI is a mistake

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post #67

Our ability to predict technological "replacement" is pretty shoddy. Take banking for example. ATMs are literally called "teller machines." Internet banking is a way of "automating banking." Besides those, every administrative aspect of banking went from paper to computer. Do banks employ fewer people? Is it a smaller industry? No. Banks grew steadily over these decades. It's actually shocking how little network enab…

> Do banks employ fewer people? Is it a smaller industry? No. Banks grew steadily over these decades.

Profits may have grown but In Ireland at least, the number of branches have declined drastically.

Re: Firing programmers for AI is a mistake

#130
Some companies will try to fire as many programmers as possible and will end up struggling bc they have no moats against other companies with access to the same AI, or will hit some kind of AI saturation usefulness threshold. Other companies will figure out a smart hybrid to utilize existing talent and those are probably the ones that will thrive among the competition.
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