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Get A Job: The Craigslist Experiment

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Re: Get A Job: The Craigslist Experiment

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Great timing on this for me. I just posted a job (a real one) to Craigslist and received a handful of responses. Making the assumption that I would get a bunch of resumes I decided to add one little hurdle. I asked the applicant to copy & paste their resume into the email body. I did this to see who was actually paying attention and who was just spamming every posting and hoping someone would bite. Sadly this hurdle…

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Re: Get A Job: The Craigslist Experiment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't start out with personal and professional connections. I developed them as I went. The key is getting your foot in the door - be it through an internship, a temp job, or making a name for yourself as an amateur. The point is to develop specific valuable skills. Then, make the right people aware that you have those hard to find skills. Assuming that what you learned in college is enough to build a career is a…

be it through an internship, a temp job Well, those would count as jobs themselves, so you would have to send out resumes anyway. And clearly, this guy is trying to make a name for himself with his blog, to the extent that's possible. The problem is a lot of people have very general qualifications. A masters in English may mean a lot or nothing. I keep an eye on job postings and you sometimes get used to the same ver…

> "Well, those would count as jobs themselves, so you would have to send out resumes anyway."

It's bigger than that. The difference between internships and full-time work is that one is a lot easier to get than the other.

Being a student opens tons of doors for no particular reason whatsoever. Many companies have organized internship programs not only for recruitment's sake, but also out of some sense of social responsibility. People are also willing to cut students a lot of slack, and let a lot of problems drop. The expectations are dramatically lower.

The bar shoots up dramatically as soon as you leave school, even for the same type of work.

IMO anyone who isn't leveraging their student status to get at these opportunities is wasting time. You will never again be in this good of a position to be automatically given the benefit of the doubt.

I know many humanities majors from college, and the ones who have not have trouble finding employment have always been the ones who leveraged internships and other student-only opportunities to their maximum.

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post #54

This is interesting and well written. Find yourself a grad student in Math and you've got your job. I want more articles of a "pop math" variety exploring the numbers of everyday life. Not only are they interesting and engaging, these types of stories provide the groundwork for helping "us" (entrepreneurs) know what industries we should be attacking.

> Find yourself a grad student in Math and you've got your job. Sorry, what do you mean by that?

It appears he means a statistics major, or somebody who could do some analysis, and continue to write articles that analyze everyday things we do.

Re: Get A Job: The Craigslist Experiment

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Cheat sheet for humanities master's degree holders: microecon 101 suggests that anyone offering to pay a substantial premium to the market clearing price for X will be offered lots of X.

You saying that he simply put too high a payrate on his fake ad and that's why the glut of responses?

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#96

1) "Administrative Assistant" postings attract lots of job seekers. For some reason unemployed candidates like to apply for these jobs. 2) Scammers like to post "Administrative Assistant" postings too. I'd say that at least half of "Administrative Assistant" postings are scam (scammers are trying to recruit people for money laundering or pyramid scheme). 3) Job postings looking for software developers are totally dif…

I was mostly unemployed for a year or so. Admin assistant posts were attractive because it sounds like a simple office job. Also, 10-13/hr in an office is incredibly better than minimum wage labour. But as you say, over half are scams. For my region, craigslist was worthless.

Fwiw, my solution was to move to an area with lower unemployment (18% to 6%). I have no pro experience and no related education, but I got a dev job with a probation period to ensure I'm actually learning quick enough to be useful.

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post #92

Cheat sheet for humanities master's degree holders: microecon 101 suggests that anyone offering to pay a substantial premium to the market clearing price for X will be offered lots of X.

I'm trying to connect the dots here without much luck. What's the unstated link between the second bit and the first bit?

Re: Get A Job: The Craigslist Experiment

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post #80

An interesting experiment (for a company that actually has a job and is not leading people on) would be to distinguish a job posting that says "Hiring for this position will be based in large part on a work-sample test during a half day at our office" versus "Previous experience . . . preferred, but will train the right candidate." We can tell that the United States economy is in recession (as is the case in many oth…

While I agree that work samples are definitely the way to go, I'm unsure how you could possibly engineer a work-sample that is time effective for 600 people. Clearly, the first pass of the screen cannot be the work sample alone or you will be administering dozens if not hundreds, since I doubt the threat of a worksample in a job ad would scare many people away (could very well be wrong about that.) I think this is wh…

Here is a simple example of how to automate this for developers.

Everyone who applies is sent a link. That link contains a problem description, and a stub program. You're supposed to write the program and send it back. When you send it back, they compile your program and run a standard set of unit tests on it. If it passes the unit tests, then a human looks at it. Generally the code will be "good enough" to bring the person in for an interview.

In the interview you will ask the person enough questions about their solution to give you confidence that the person you are interviewing actually wrote the code you are reviewing. This greatly shortens the interview process.

This is not a hypothetical approach. I know of more than one company that has actually implemented this.

You might think that it takes a lot of developer time to implement, but it doesn't. What you do is have a developer come up with a reasonable project that they think can be done in a reasonable amount of time. That developer then solves the problem. You take their solution and stub it out - that gives you the initial stubs people can download. The unit tests that they developed are the unit tests that you will use. And now you're off and running.

Re: Get A Job: The Craigslist Experiment

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post #95
post #92

Cheat sheet for humanities master's degree holders: microecon 101 suggests that anyone offering to pay a substantial premium to the market clearing price for X will be offered lots of X.

You saying that he simply put too high a payrate on his fake ad and that's why the glut of responses?

Interesting that this high rate of payment is much lower than the Australia minimum wage in USD. I guess the purchasing power in America might be a little higher but still sounds like a pretty sad state of affairs.

Re: Get A Job: The Craigslist Experiment

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post #95
post #92

Cheat sheet for humanities master's degree holders: microecon 101 suggests that anyone offering to pay a substantial premium to the market clearing price for X will be offered lots of X.

You saying that he simply put too high a payrate on his fake ad and that's why the glut of responses?

He is getting many responses because he is offering approximately $4,000 (delivered half in taxable cash and half in untaxable benefits) in return for a thing whose market price is closer to $1,500 (delivered all in taxable cash). He should be offered the product he wishes to buy at any quantity which he wishes to purchase. (The product is "The full-time labor of any literate person legally capable of work in Midtown, NYC.")
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