The About page says "We’re both in the forever business" but doesn't back up the claim with any financial information to even credibly argue that they are in the ten years business.
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#12Using a country code TLD is a bold choice
https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/10/io_domain_uk_mauritiu...
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#13Prospective users are understandably concerned that perma.cc will go out of business. No institution can guarantee that it will exist in perpetuity. But perma.cc has at least published a contingency plan: https://perma.cc/contingency-plan .
"Please note that this is a statement of Perma.cc’s present intent in the event the project winds down. Perma.cc may revise or amend this page at any time. Nothing on this page is intended to, nor may it be read to, create a legal or contractual right for users or obligation for Perma.cc, under the Perma.cc Terms of Use or otherwise."
So, yeah, nothing is different than anyone else, other than they have a "cunning plan" that can easily get shitcanned at anyone's whim
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#14The About page says "We’re both in the forever business" but doesn't back up the claim with any financial information to even credibly argue that they are in the ten years business.
It's run by the Harvard Law School Library and a consortium of libraries worldwide. Why does it need financial information specifically to argue they're in the ten year business?
Them being run by a library that is older than you and everyone else here is worth a lot more than a random company's 10-year funding plan.
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#15Prospective users are understandably concerned that perma.cc will go out of business. No institution can guarantee that it will exist in perpetuity. But perma.cc has at least published a contingency plan: https://perma.cc/contingency-plan .
"Please note that this is a statement of Perma.cc’s present intent in the event the project winds down. Perma.cc may revise or amend this page at any time. Nothing on this page is intended to, nor may it be read to, create a legal or contractual right for users or obligation for Perma.cc, under the Perma.cc Terms of Use or otherwise." So, yeah, nothing is different than anyone else, other than they have a "cunning pl…
You can’t actually create a contractual right without consideration and they appear to be a free service.
They can only promise to do their best.
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#16PURL (https://purl.archive.org/) is a similar permanent URL service but you choose the URL.
It used to be hosted at purl.org and run by the OCLC but in 2016 it was transferred to the Internet Archive.
https://web.archive.org/web/20161002094639/https://www.oclc....
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#17how does this compare contrast with DOI - complements, replaces, etc.?
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#18Hi! Perma is made by the Harvard Library Innovation Lab, which I direct, and I wrote a bunch of the early code for it back in 2015 or so.
For HN readers, I'd suggest checking out https://tools.perma.cc/, where we post a bunch of the open source work that backs this. Due to the shift from warc to wacz, (a zipped-web-archive format developed by WebRecorder), it's now possible to pass around fully interactive high fidelity web archives as simple files and host them with client side javascript, which opens up a bunch of new possibilities for web archive designs. You can see some tech demos of that at our page https://warcembed-demo.lil.tools/ , where each page is just a static file on the server and some client side javascript.
It's best to think of Perma.cc itself, the service, as some UX and user support wrapping to help solve linkrot primarily in the law journal, courts, law journals, and journalists area (for example, dashboards for a law journal to collaborate on the links they're archiving for their authors), and our work on this as building from that usecase to try to make it easier for everyone to build similar things.
I saw some mentions of the Internet Archive, which is great, and is also kind enough to keep a copy of our archives and expose them through the Wayback Machine. One thing I've been thinking about recently in archiving is that there's a risk to overstandardizing -- you don't want things too much captured with the same software platforms, funded through the same models, governed by the same people, exposed through the same interfaces, etc. There's supposed to be thousands of libraries, not one library. Unlike "don't roll your own crypto," I'd honestly love to see more people roll their own archives.
Happy to answer any questions!
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#19The About page says "We’re both in the forever business" but doesn't back up the claim with any financial information to even credibly argue that they are in the ten years business.
It's run by the Harvard Law School Library and a consortium of libraries worldwide. Why does it need financial information specifically to argue they're in the ten year business? Them being run by a library that is older than you and everyone else here is worth a lot more than a random company's 10-year funding plan.
To play the devil's advocate, the library can exist for ten thousand years more but it is still possible it will drop perma.cc project when they get a new director, right?
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#20The About page says "We’re both in the forever business" but doesn't back up the claim with any financial information to even credibly argue that they are in the ten years business.
It's run by the Harvard Law School Library and a consortium of libraries worldwide. Why does it need financial information specifically to argue they're in the ten year business? Them being run by a library that is older than you and everyone else here is worth a lot more than a random company's 10-year funding plan.
The tld it's dependent on doesn't fall within these parameters. They also don't own and operate the .cc TLD do they?