For a model to be ‘fully’ open source you need more than the model itself and a way to run it. You also need the data and the program that can be used to train it. See The Open Source AI Definition from OSI: https://opensource.org/ai
Is it reasonable to expect companies to redistribute 100TB of copyrighted content they used for their LLM, just on the off-chance someone has a few million laying around and wants to reproduce the model from scratch?
TL;DR of Deep Dive into LLMs Like ChatGPT by Andrej Karpathy
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Re: TL;DR of Deep Dive into LLMs Like ChatGPT by Andrej Karpathy
#12I am going through the video myself -- roughly halfway through -- and have a fw things to bring up.
Here they are now that we have a fresh opportunity to discuss:
1 - MATH and LLMs
I am curious why many of the examples Andrej chose to pose to the LLM were "computational" questions -- for instance "what is 2+2" or some numerical puzzles that needed algebraic thinking and then some addition/subtraction/multiplication (example at 1:50 mins about buying Apples and Oranges).
I can understand these abilities of LLMs are becoming powerful and useful too -- but in my mind these are not the "basic" abilities of a next token predictor.
I would have appreciated a more clear distinction of prompts that showcase core LLM ability -- to generate text that is acceptable as generally grammatically correct, based in facts and context, without necessarily needing the ability of a working memory / assigning values to algebraic variables / doing arithmetic etc.
If there are any good references to discussion on the mathematical abilities of LLMs and the wisdom of trying to make them do math -- versus simply recognizing when a math is needed and generating the necessary python/expressions and let the tools handle it.
2 - META
While Andrej briefly acknowledges the "meta" situation where LLMs are being used to create training data for the training of and judge the outputs of newer LLMs ... there is not much discussion on that here.
There are just many more examples of how LLMs are used to prepare mitigations for hallucinations by preparing Q&A training sets with "correct" answers etc
I am curious to know more about the limitations / perils of using LLMs to train/evaluate other LLMs.
I kind of feel that this is a bit like the Manhattan project and atomic weapons -- in that early results and advances are being looped back immediately into the development of more powerful technology. (A smaller fission charge at the core of a larger fusion weapon -- to be very loose with analogies)
Re: TL;DR of Deep Dive into LLMs Like ChatGPT by Andrej Karpathy
#13For a model to be ‘fully’ open source you need more than the model itself and a way to run it. You also need the data and the program that can be used to train it. See The Open Source AI Definition from OSI: https://opensource.org/ai
Is it reasonable to expect companies to redistribute 100TB of copyrighted content they used for their LLM, just on the off-chance someone has a few million laying around and wants to reproduce the model from scratch?
Re: TL;DR of Deep Dive into LLMs Like ChatGPT by Andrej Karpathy
#14For a model to be ‘fully’ open source you need more than the model itself and a way to run it. You also need the data and the program that can be used to train it. See The Open Source AI Definition from OSI: https://opensource.org/ai
Yes. I cannot comprehend this to this day. A model weights data + runner is how different from a closed source executable? Why do everyone call these open source?
Re: TL;DR of Deep Dive into LLMs Like ChatGPT by Andrej Karpathy
#15For a model to be ‘fully’ open source you need more than the model itself and a way to run it. You also need the data and the program that can be used to train it. See The Open Source AI Definition from OSI: https://opensource.org/ai
I recommend reading the actual Open Source AI Definition[1] and the FAQ[2]. There's also the whitepaper[3] that goes into much more detail about the state of affairs.
[1]: https://opensource.org/ai/open-source-ai-definition
[2]: https://hackmd.io/@opensourceinitiative/osaid-faq#What-is-th...
[3]: https://opensource.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/2025-OSI-D...
Re: TL;DR of Deep Dive into LLMs Like ChatGPT by Andrej Karpathy
#16For a model to be ‘fully’ open source you need more than the model itself and a way to run it. You also need the data and the program that can be used to train it. See The Open Source AI Definition from OSI: https://opensource.org/ai
Yes. I cannot comprehend this to this day. A model weights data + runner is how different from a closed source executable? Why do everyone call these open source?
Re: TL;DR of Deep Dive into LLMs Like ChatGPT by Andrej Karpathy
#17For a model to be ‘fully’ open source you need more than the model itself and a way to run it. You also need the data and the program that can be used to train it. See The Open Source AI Definition from OSI: https://opensource.org/ai
Re: TL;DR of Deep Dive into LLMs Like ChatGPT by Andrej Karpathy
#18For a model to be ‘fully’ open source you need more than the model itself and a way to run it. You also need the data and the program that can be used to train it. See The Open Source AI Definition from OSI: https://opensource.org/ai
That is incorrect -- you do not have to provide the full training data to meet the requirements. I recommend reading the actual Open Source AI Definition[1] and the FAQ[2]. There's also the whitepaper[3] that goes into much more detail about the state of affairs. [1]: https://opensource.org/ai/open-source-ai-definition [2]: https://hackmd.io/@opensourceinitiative/osaid-faq#What-is-th... [3]: https://opensource.org/wp…
Re: TL;DR of Deep Dive into LLMs Like ChatGPT by Andrej Karpathy
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is incorrect -- you do not have to provide the full training data to meet the requirements. I recommend reading the actual Open Source AI Definition[1] and the FAQ[2]. There's also the whitepaper[3] that goes into much more detail about the state of affairs. [1]: https://opensource.org/ai/open-source-ai-definition [2]: https://hackmd.io/@opensourceinitiative/osaid-faq#What-is-th... [3]: https://opensource.org/wp…
We need a new definition then.