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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by dang »

e40 wrote: post #602
dang wrote: post #684

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spent all day responding to the replies here, and then detaching them in order to save space at the top of the thread. But I just had a better idea. This is a stub comment so we have a single root to collapse the replies. This way (1) replies can stay close to their parent (the top comment) without flooding the screen with offtopicness; and (2) we can all re-experience the timeless truth of https://en.wikipedia.org…

I’m curious what the new and interesting information is. I read the article when it was originally posted a few days ago. I just scanned it again and it seems the same as before. Just curious. Thanks.

I guess 2 days isn't new by firehose standards, but this particular story didn't get discussed until today and there's still some interest in it. HN has a long tradition of hosting threads about the exploits of young hackers.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by treis »

jhp123 wrote: post #445
9283409232 wrote: post #106

The question no one asking is why Elon is sending a team of teenage programmers and not a team of financial auditors if he really wanted to cut government spending?

it all mirrors the Twitter takeover (fetishizing "hardcore coders", micromanagement, randomly breaking or cancelling things), so this might just be how Elon Musk approaches things.

He did cut Twitter's workforce by 80% and things seem fine absent his deranged heel turn.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by numpad0 »

firstlunchables wrote: post #421
amazingamazing wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reporting on this is terrible. There are also senior (in age and experience) people, but much of the focus is on the youngins for obvious reasons. Musk also believes (either arrogance, or true belief) that much of this stuff can be figured out from first principals without much need of traditional experts.

Touting “first principals” is a way of revealing “I’m too dumb to understand other people’s work.” Like if you can’t understand higher level concepts and have to start on your own from Euclid, it just means you aren’t very smart but think you can be another Maxwell just by thinkin’ real hard. It’s a joke.

I'm echo chambering on this and one other comment[1], and starting to wonder if those guys are actually neurodivergent, autistic, whatever implies combination of entry-superhuman intelligence and unfortunate psycho-emotional development, or it's complete opposite and they're faking intelligence with vastly superior EQ, put aside pointlessness of taking IQ/EQ seriously.

Because, I don't think Musk had ever shown issues understanding or even precisely manipulating people's sentiments with bare hands which some of us struggle even with tools, while also there being countless examples him showing lack of understanding of laws, order, code, all such brittle dehumanized systems in general.

All his successes owes to his mastery of orchestrating humans as animals, not machines or humans as intelligent constructs. Why are we nearly dead set that it's opposite of that?

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42993901

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by dang »

dang wrote: post #37

All: if you're going to comment here, please make sure you're up on the guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html , and don't post low-information / high-indignation comments that could just as easily appear in any related thread. Such generic comments make discussion less interesting and more activating. That's not what we're trying for here. Rather, we want curious conversation. I know that's n…

I spent all day responding to the replies here, and then detaching them in order to save space at the top of the thread. But I just had a better idea.

This is a stub comment so we have a single root to collapse the replies. This way (1) replies can stay close to their parent (the top comment) without flooding the screen with offtopicness; and (2) we can all re-experience the timeless truth of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_softwar....

If you want to reply, reply here. I've moved all the original replies back so everyone's on the same playing field.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by dang »

3vidence wrote: post #650
dang wrote: post #684

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spent all day responding to the replies here, and then detaching them in order to save space at the top of the thread. But I just had a better idea. This is a stub comment so we have a single root to collapse the replies. This way (1) replies can stay close to their parent (the top comment) without flooding the screen with offtopicness; and (2) we can all re-experience the timeless truth of https://en.wikipedia.org…

Hey Dang! First I want to thank you for the tireless job of moderating this form, it is really the thing that keeps it as a special place on the internet. I genuinely wanted to ask if you feel out of depth on moderating the current and upcoming news on both the US and AI. Both feel like we are heading towards things many of us have not experienced in our lives. How do you find your previous moderation experience is l…

I don't feel out of depth. To me it feels like variations on places we've been before.

But I hasten to qualify this:

(1) This is just my feeling! You asked how I feel, so I'm telling you, but I don't claim my feeling is anything more than that.

(2) I'm only talking about dynamics on HN. I'm not talking about what Trump might do or AI might do; it's not my job to comment on those and your guess is as good as mine anyhow.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by pottertheotter »

guywithahat wrote: post #605
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #510

I find it shockingly absurd how the All-In podcast hosts blindly support everything one of their own does. It’s obvious they treat Musk like a god. In the latest episode, they even made fun of concerns about privacy, claiming that all people care about is the state not wasting money. - completely dismissing worries about data exposure.

To be fair, musk is a pretty outrageously successful and interesting person. I’ve seen very little criticism of him that isn’t thinly veiled jealousy

Even if someone admires Musk’s accomplishments, blindly excusing his faults is irrational. Constructive criticism is important—his fanbase treating him like an infallible genius discourages accountability. No great business leader is above scrutiny, and people who dismiss all criticism as “jealousy” are refusing to engage with reality.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by pinoy420 »

impulser_ wrote: post #499
culi wrote: post #454

> the DOGE teen is a former denizen of ‘The Com,’ an archipelago of Discord and Telegram chat channels that function as a kind of distributed cybercriminal social network for facilitating instant collaboration To be honest, this is my first time hearing about The Com. Does anyone have any more reading on this? You'd think they'd use something more secure than Discord (which has 0 encryption) and Telegram which doesn'…

The Com is just a general term for crime communities on the Internet. Its not a specific group. The Com includes groups that commit crimes stretching from cybercrime to literally the worst crimes you can think of and the vast majority of this is done on Discord and Telegram. You can go down a really dark rabbit hole if you really dig deep into some of these groups within The Com. This is where the worst of the worst…

“A man known as 4chan”

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Post by johnnyanmac »

guywithahat wrote: post #605
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #510

I find it shockingly absurd how the All-In podcast hosts blindly support everything one of their own does. It’s obvious they treat Musk like a god. In the latest episode, they even made fun of concerns about privacy, claiming that all people care about is the state not wasting money. - completely dismissing worries about data exposure.

To be fair, musk is a pretty outrageously successful and interesting person. I’ve seen very little criticism of him that isn’t thinly veiled jealousy

Would you be interested in hearing some? Closed minds don't help.

If nothing else, listen to his Tesla earnings call and take note of how much he talks about the actual current business vs. his fantasy of consumer reboots in 2027.

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Post by gricardo99 »

nikkwong wrote: post #660
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #510

I find it shockingly absurd how the All-In podcast hosts blindly support everything one of their own does. It’s obvious they treat Musk like a god. In the latest episode, they even made fun of concerns about privacy, claiming that all people care about is the state not wasting money. - completely dismissing worries about data exposure.

The podcast has been elucidating to me in how it exposes the way in which individuals can become corrupted. Our politicians appear good on camera, they smile to our faces and kiss the foreheads of our babies—but we have decades of anecdotes about how they are bribed by special interests, making deals behind our backs. At least I personally had no first hand experience of what that actually looked of felt like until I…

Try Pivot or Prof. G. podcasts.
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