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First glimpse inside burnt scroll after 2k years

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Re: First glimpse inside burnt scroll after 2k years

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Post by mmooss »

luma wrote: post #59
omoikane wrote: post #41

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> How do we know the AI output is accurate? From the blog post where they announced 2023 grand prize: they did a couple of things to verify the results, including scanning the same area multiple times and making sure that multiple models produce similar results. https://scrollprize.org/grandprize#how-accurate-are-these-pi...

They also created their own scroll, cooked it, and scanned it to create a ground truth dataset.

I'm sure they work to improve the accuracy of the output but it's not 'truth' unless it's the same data - which of course is impractical.

That is, unless 'truth' means something different in ML, which would be troubling!

Re: First glimpse inside burnt scroll after 2k years

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

klipt wrote: post #78
HPsquared wrote: post #66

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The executive branch systematically dismantling itself doesn't sound like "ever more power".

If Congress already passed a law to regulate food so customers don't get poisoned. And the president can say "I'm gonna ignore that and dismantle the agency Congress set up to do it" What power does Congress have anymore?

Is that honestly what is happening though? Or is that an exaggeration and presumption to try and make your point?

Fact, no one can show that USAID’s more curious and controversial grants served American interests.

Re: First glimpse inside burnt scroll after 2k years

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Post by StableAlkyne »

mmooss wrote: post #79
StableAlkyne wrote: post #47

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> But in science we need observable evidence. The observable evidence here is the raw x-ray data. Based on the article, what is being done here was using ML to process that X-ray data, to create another set of output that the humans could analyze. I understand jumping on the anti-AI bandwagon, but this ain't ChatGPT. Using ML to process complex instrument output has been used since at least the 70s. This is much clos…

> I understand jumping on the anti-AI bandwagon Why be an asshole? What do you accomplish? I now have zero interest in what you have to say. I stopped there.

No animosity was meant there, friend. Completely above board, I get that a lot of people see "ML" and jump to conclusions given the hype around "AI" in the last couple of years.

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Post by timewizard »

adastra22 wrote: post #28
timewizard wrote: post #16

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I completely agree. They even have a picture of the light source used to do the scans as if that's more important than the people who did the actual work. I can't understand the editorial bent in this article. I think editors believe scientists to be vaunted and inaccessible creatures that live in the rarefied climbs of "science mountain." Meanwhile it's just some kid down the block who would love to be interviewed b…

I'm pretty sure Luke has a lot more things to worry about right now than being interviewed by the BBC, lol.

That's nice of you to decide that for him and for all the people who read that publication.

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Post by tzs »

briandear wrote: post #63
tasty_freeze wrote: post #43

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Trump won by a very small margin, 1.5%, and didn't even get 50% of the popular vote. It isn't a "landslide" or "mandate" no matter how many times they claim it. Yes, Trump won, but that isn't grounds for ignoring the constitution. There is a separation of powers and Trump can't delegate powers which aren't his to Musk to delegate to technoboys.

312 to 226 isn’t a “small margin.” You don’t measure a baseball game by number of hits or strike outs, but by the number of runs scored. The popular vote is literally irrelevant.

The assertion was about what the population supports. For that question it is the popular vote that matters, not the electoral college vote.

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Post by adastra22 »

timewizard wrote: post #84
adastra22 wrote: post #28

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I'm pretty sure Luke has a lot more things to worry about right now than being interviewed by the BBC, lol.

That's nice of you to decide that for him and for all the people who read that publication.

The context missing here is that Luke is one of the principal analysts at DOGE, and the target of A LOT of mainstream media hit pieces over the last week.

Re: First glimpse inside burnt scroll after 2k years

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

atombender wrote: post #75
briandear wrote: post #65

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What’s bad about finding waste? Many appropriations are expired yet still keep getting paid out. That’s crazy. The liberal media echo chamber is preventing people from using common sense. When media and congressional democrats literally call us “Nazis” — it’s hard to take any of it seriously. “Trump is a fascist” If that’s true, he’s the first fascist in history to attempt to make the government smaller. Apparently b…

People are upset partly because the new administration is taking the law into its own hands, and partly because it seems to be acting without any planning or research, and seems to be going about it recklessly and without concern for consequences. Regarding USAID specifically, it was set up in the aftermath of the Foreign Assistance Act by John F. Kennedy, and as an agency it was later established as law by Congress.…

Trump is clearly not shutting USAID down.

He has cut the staff from 1400 to 300. And it will now be serving US interests.

No need to panic now.

Re: First glimpse inside burnt scroll after 2k years

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Post by mmooss »

StableAlkyne wrote: post #83
mmooss wrote: post #79

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> I understand jumping on the anti-AI bandwagon Why be an asshole? What do you accomplish? I now have zero interest in what you have to say. I stopped there.

No animosity was meant there, friend. Completely above board, I get that a lot of people see "ML" and jump to conclusions given the hype around "AI" in the last couple of years.

> No animosity was meant there

Lol. That only supports my original assessment. Bye!

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Post by pavel_lishin »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #77
pavel_lishin wrote: post #39

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> unless you have a front row seat, everything you know is because someone else already parsed that info for you. Taking this to its logical conclusion, it is pointless for us to discuss anything we're not actively doing.

Interesting idea. Perhaps you could also investigate the motivation of the people who tell you how to feel and what to think? Along those lines… how many were receiving say, USAID themselves?

I'm not sure who you're having a conversation with, but I don't think it's me.

Re: First glimpse inside burnt scroll after 2k years

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

briandear wrote: post #62
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #44

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That's what 49.8% of the voters voted for. So not really "most" for any reasonable meaning of the term "most".

People don’t elect presidents, states do, and states elected Trump with a 312 to 226 electoral vote margin — so the states overwhelmingly voted for Trump. The purpose of the United States federal government is very strictly spelled out — and the 10th amendment makes it very clear that powers not expressly mentioned in the Constitution are reserved for the states. The U.S. is a republic, not a democracy.

Electoral votes don’t support a president’s agenda, people do. Being underwater already at the beginning of his term means the other politicians that have to work with him (who also have to get elected) are more under pressure not to. That’s why not having the support of most voters is relevant in Trump getting things done. Grand parent basically said this guy has a mandate from the American people and he really doesn’t. Heck, it was big news that his disapproval rating is almost the same as his approval rating now, the most popular he has ever been but still not liked by most Americans.
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