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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by fnimick »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #109
fabian2k wrote: post #47

Ignoring the horrifying political parts, I think one aspect here about data access that is inherently worrying is that it seems like all usual controls were bypassed and the DOGE people had very low level access to systems. So there are probably copies of sensitive data now in their possession, and nobody knows exactly what was copied and where it is stored. This kind of access would be dangerous even in the hands of…

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> Coristine wrote impressive, profitable tech. He should have a future as a productive member of society, perhaps even one of its titans.

When did "profitable" become the sole metric by which we judge someone's work? Does what is morally correct factor into it at all, or should the impressiveness someone's accomplishments make them a "titan" regardless of intent or outcome?

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by hagbard_c »

shitter wrote: post #64
laidoffamazon wrote: post #4

This is uh, a more than a little disturbing. Is JD Vance going to say that he deserves grace too? More context [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/764_(organization)

For reference: JD Vance said that another DOGE staffer, who resigned after it was reported that he'd publicly come out in favor of racism, eugenics, and normalizing hate against Indian people on Twitter, should be rehired because it was just "stupid social media activity".

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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by trickyager »

engineer_22 wrote: post #110

The stakes are high for these kids. They're obviously very talented individuals, but they're in deep. The reality probably isn't lost on them. I hope they stay safe, they're doing important work.

Are they, though? I'm not trying to be flippant. Rather, it's entirely unclear to me any positive outcome for these individuals or American citizen in general as a result of this effort. Can you provide vetted sources that accurately communciate actual benefits as a result of this effory for anyone other than Elon Musk and Donald Trump as individuals?

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by basementcat »

jslezak wrote: post #39
camillomiller wrote: post #5

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Their next move - and the Rubicon none of us can uncross - will be defying the court orders that are inevitably issued to stop the flagrant criminality Once they defy those, it’s done. The enforcement of federal laws including court orders requires the Trump justice department to act. And his first moves (naturally) were to fire all oversight people, install extremist hardcore loyalists at the top, and fire anyone un…

This already happened. Andrew Jackson openly defied a Supreme Court ruling and forcibly removed Native Americans from their homes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcester_v._Georgia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

The only reason Brown v. Board of Education was enforced was because the President sent troops from the 101st Airborne Division to ensure black children were able to go to school.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education#Re...

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

fnimick wrote: post #131
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Coristine wrote impressive, profitable tech. He should have a future as a productive member of society, perhaps even one of its titans. When did "profitable" become the sole metric by which we judge someone's work? Does what is morally correct factor into it at all, or should the impressiveness someone's accomplishments make them a "titan" regardless of intent or outcome?

> When did "profitable" become the sole metric…

You’re quoting a sentence with two adjectives.

> should the impressiveness someone's accomplishments make them a "titan" regardless of intent or outcome?

For a teenager? Barring violence, yes. An impressive, misguided teenager is a net asset to a community and society in the developed world.

I challenge anyone intelligent to honestly say they didn’t have any really stupid opinions or worldviews before their prefrontal cortex had finished developing.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by rcpt »

campbel wrote: post #46
wahnfrieden wrote: post #21

Another DOGE member created a tool that generates ballot images to be used by counting machines to satisfy any statistical outcome requirements: https://bsky.app/profile/denisedwheeler.bsky.social/post/3lh... He worked in contact with Musk and his sponsorship to create this tool Interesting cybercrime research credentials Yes there's not evidence available that this research was used for crime, just that the project…

I'd encourage folks to go look at the source code for the referenced project https://github.com/DevrathIyer/ballotproof/tree/master . This does not strike me as nefarious in any way and there is a really valid reason for generating the ballot images -- testing, which is exactly how it is used in the project.

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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by hgsfCa »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #99
9283409232 wrote: post #79

Why are high level figures in these departments just letting them walk in and have access? Tell them to kick rocks until they have proper clearances.

> Why are high level figures in these departments just letting them walk in The better question is what are all the Congressmen doing cozily on Capitol Hill. Like, not one has walked over to these departments to try and physically stop these kids from gaining the keys to the kingdom? (EDIT: Whoops, they have.)

Regarding USAID: That is under Rubio now, who was confirmed unanimously. So I suspect it will be resurrected in some form and continue at least regime change operations.

MAGA outlet Tucker Carlson had Mike Benz on this week. Mike Benz had been vocally opposed to all CIA or foreign interference programs during the election campaigns. This week he recanted, talked without his usual eloquence and said that USAID is not all that bad! So MAGA is being reprogrammed.

If nothing really changes, the Democrats (who were avid neocons in the past four years) won't mind. Which could explain the meek protests of Schumer etc.

The treasury story is way more difficult, we have to wait for more information.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by mind-blight »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #26
wobblyasp wrote: post #20

Say what you will about the cuts, you can't have people with zero clearance being given access to all of this data.

Why would you need “clearance”? Only positions like with military sensitive things have clearance requirements.

That's not true. Many government positions and rules require different levels/types of clearance. E.g. the DoD and DHS have entirely different clearances managed by different organizations.

The DoD funds so much scientific research. There are entire budgets that are classified to hide how much we spend on - say - split satellites. Having access to the books of all of these orgs likely would require tons of different background checks and clearances from different organizations under normal circumstances

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by tdb7893 »

likeabatterycar wrote: post #63
ty6853 wrote: post #38

A career fed guy in his 50s being forced to beg for his job in a 15 minute teleconference to an arrogant zoomer in shorts and an unbuttoned suit is peak representation of democracy.

> guy in his 50s being forced to beg for his job in a 15 minute teleconference to an arrogant zoomer So, like every private sector job nowadays? Everyone is acting like this is the first time in history someone's been called into a meeting with a ponytailed 25 year old to have the "What is it ya do here?" discussion. Memorialized in a movie so old now that most zoomers haven't even heard of it, let alone seen it. Onl…

My experience with private sector is instead of zoomers it's more men in their 40s and they all have the same haircut

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by cjbgkagh »

I don't like Musk and have not for many years, but the left has been venerating some very flawed people for a very long time. It’s hard to be outraged now when we’ve been selectively told to ignore the past of others.

Let’s not forget that Trump is the pied piper candidate promoted by the left to make it easier to win elections. I remember when Ron Desantis was successfully undermined by the news media casting him as weird if he was even covered at all. The left celebrated at the time because they assumed Trump would be easier to beat. When our leaders are picked by their enemies it’s understandable that they’re extremely flawed.

I see it as an emergent behavior where it’s easier to damage than it is to build, it’s easier to undermine an opposition than it is to build up your own side.

I would suggest that political parties stop trying the pied piper strategy but if we are to learn one thing from history it should be that no-one learns anything from history.

> https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120

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