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Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by remarkEon »

floatrock wrote: post #306
remarkEon wrote: post #198

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You see the difference between a Starlink and Bloomberg terminal, and a "Pro" subscription to Politico, right?

I assume you're insinuating a politico pro subscription just lets you read clickbait articles without a paywall, and that's unreasonable? Is that what a pro subscription is? Or does it provide useful data to a government agency that works on the ground in many different countries? How about show me the government contract for the purchase that outlines what information they're purchasing? Who else bid on it, and why…

No I'm insinuating that Starlink and Bloomberg are infrastructure, with clear use cases for DoD, the IC, and many many others. No one had really head of Politico Pro until DOGE cut off the subscriptions, and now suddenly it's some critical thing that this government "agency" can't live without when they "work" on the ground in many different countries, like you're claiming. This is despite the fact that we have, ya know, multiple intelligence agencies whose job it is to tell us interesting and useful things about those countries. I don't even know if Politico Pro does that kind of reporting, foreign intelligence. But it doesn't matter, and it doesn't matter if this is corruption either.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by ModernMech »

theonething wrote: post #376
llamaimperative wrote: post #204

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When did the left do this to the right? Be specific please.

You're asking when did this happen: "the left dismantling the shadow right" here, when the IRS under Obama discriminated against conservative and Christian groups for applications for tax exempt status > The consent order says the IRS admits it wrongly used "heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays" and demanded unnecessary information as it reviewed applications for tax-exempt status. The order says, "For such trea…

  In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department's inspector general found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny, blunting claims that the issue had been an Obama-era partisan scandal.[1][2] The 115-page report confirmed the findings of the prior 2013 report that some conservative organizations had been unfairly targeted, but also found that the pattern of misconduct had been ongoing since 2004 and was non-partisan in nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#:~:t...

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

code_runner wrote: post #273
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #109

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But hasn't the SCOTUS also ruled that anything the President does as a part of his duties legal? Where does that ruling actually end?

I believe that’s for criminal prosecution and probably has a lot of room for additional precedents to be set

I hope that that precedent starts to get set here, because right now it's not looking good.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by tester756 »

orphea wrote: post #380
tester756 wrote: post #171

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Yet projects like LLVM use it

Large projects and companies are making dumb decisions all the time.

How is this dumb idea when Discord is top1 communicator except maybe for search, but it isnt that terrible

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by floatrock »

remarkEon wrote: post #391
floatrock wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you're insinuating a politico pro subscription just lets you read clickbait articles without a paywall, and that's unreasonable? Is that what a pro subscription is? Or does it provide useful data to a government agency that works on the ground in many different countries? How about show me the government contract for the purchase that outlines what information they're purchasing? Who else bid on it, and why…

No I'm insinuating that Starlink and Bloomberg are infrastructure, with clear use cases for DoD, the IC, and many many others. No one had really head of Politico Pro until DOGE cut off the subscriptions, and now suddenly it's some critical thing that this government "agency" can't live without when they "work" on the ground in many different countries, like you're claiming. This is despite the fact that we have, ya k…

> I don't even know if Politico Pro does that kind of reporting

lol, so you don't know what Politico Pro does, but you know it was worthless, and it doesn't matter because the propaganda points have already been scored and the news cycle has turned over.

This is the world you want to be cheerleading for? Really?

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by remarkEon »

floatrock wrote: post #395
remarkEon wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I'm insinuating that Starlink and Bloomberg are infrastructure, with clear use cases for DoD, the IC, and many many others. No one had really head of Politico Pro until DOGE cut off the subscriptions, and now suddenly it's some critical thing that this government "agency" can't live without when they "work" on the ground in many different countries, like you're claiming. This is despite the fact that we have, ya k…

> I don't even know if Politico Pro does that kind of reporting lol, so you don't know what Politico Pro does, but you know it was worthless, and it doesn't matter because the propaganda points have already been scored and the news cycle has turned over. This is the world you want to be cheerleading for? Really?

Not sure how much more clear I can be, you appear to be arguing with a strawman. I think if Politico Pro was some sort of critical infrastructure that the United States Government needed to operate we would've all heard of it before this. Politico would've advertised it as such.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by b800h »

spwa4 wrote: post #370
dylan604 wrote: post #361

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What non-federal crimes and in what state are these crimes being committed that would give any state the jurisdiction to punish and incarcerate?

Aside from the fact that I'm sure you can find such crimes ... Prosecutors have the power to ask 2 years incarceration for jaywalking, without proof, 10 years for ignoring a stop sign and having not paying because the state has a wrong address for them and can let someone who empties a machine gun into a kindergarten walk free. But why go so far as to actually convict them of anything? An IRS agent (and every state h…

I think the fact that this is possible in the US is proof positive that your state needs exactly the sort of radical downsizing that Musk and Trump are trying to achieve.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by affinepplan »

slashdev wrote: post #383
affinepplan wrote: post #377

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I think it is hard power. and also note they had write access, not just read. so if Musk wanted to he could have just straight up deleted all the data. that is real power.

That’s just somebody at the treasury being a moron. You defined power as soft power and now you want to say actually it’s hard power. It’s not. They can’t give anyone orders and impose consequences for not following them. That’s what hard power is.

> they can’t give anyone orders and impose consequences for not following them

well, they also demonstrably did this?

but I'm pretty done with this "conversation"

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by aeternum »

floatrock wrote: post #395
remarkEon wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I'm insinuating that Starlink and Bloomberg are infrastructure, with clear use cases for DoD, the IC, and many many others. No one had really head of Politico Pro until DOGE cut off the subscriptions, and now suddenly it's some critical thing that this government "agency" can't live without when they "work" on the ground in many different countries, like you're claiming. This is despite the fact that we have, ya k…

> I don't even know if Politico Pro does that kind of reporting lol, so you don't know what Politico Pro does, but you know it was worthless, and it doesn't matter because the propaganda points have already been scored and the news cycle has turned over. This is the world you want to be cheerleading for? Really?

You can easily look up examples of Politico Pro online and even try a free trial.

And yes it does look worthless. It provides things like a policy template and other boilerplate which an LLM model can now come up.

Pro also offers many articles from their "experts" that happen to be fresh out of college with liberal arts degrees. Quite the irony when the Politico proponents are up in arms about the age of the DOGE members.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by outside1234 »

dylan604 wrote: post #287
icedchai wrote: post #256

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I'm skeptical that billionaires will tank the very thing from which all their wealth is derived, at least not long term. We will continue to see tremendous short term volatility.

> at least not long term. But this is the very thing. In every single financial crisis, the uber wealthy accumulate even more at the expense of everyone else that is loosing everything.

Yes - they have the resources to buy the crashing things at a discount.
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