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Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #57
daneel_w wrote: post #6

The same scheme is very common on the market for "new" laptop batteries sold by Chinese retailers on for example eBay. The batteries will come with a reprogrammed charge cycle count of 0, an unlikely serial number of all-zeroes/ones/nines or 123456789 etc., and with about 50% of its marketed capacity. As soon as you bring up a refund/warranty errand with the retailer they will offer a 50% discount for the battery in…

This has happened to me on eBay twice for items marked as "free returns" which claimed to have a hassle-free return process. My response was that they're obligated to return full price, or they can expect me to open a claim with eBay to get it, and that I am for sure giving negative feedback! Both times they caved and gave me 100% refund and told me to just keep the broken item. I still gave negative feedback. I'm no…

> Both times they caved and gave me 100% refund and told me to just keep the broken item.

This is because eBay will ALWAYS side with the customer, and the seller will get a ding to boot.

Never ever do a return with Chinese sellers, they will use it against you and you will lose your chance to dispute the transaction.

If you are sold junk complain to the seller, then if they don't refund you go ahead and raise a dispute. If they offer a return then ask them to refund you ahead of time, in full, and to provide a label for the return.

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by unyttigfjelltol »

teddyh wrote: post #16
bluedino wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon and eBay should crack down on this crap. I bought some tools on Amazon, sent them back because of quality issues, and left a 1 star review (they don't allow zero star reviews but that's another issue). Sure enough I get an email offering to send me a replacement, asking me to remove my review, I reported it and who knows what happens from there. Now, I have had very similar things happen on a website like Home…

> Amazon and eBay should crack down on this crap. Amazon and eBay are companies, which will do whatever is profitable and legal. The entity which should crack down on this is the government.

> The entity which should crack down on this is the government.

The problem with fraud is what else these same people are organizing themselves to do. Today it's fake gadgets, tomorrow it's fentyl precursors, the next day it's kidnap for ransom. You go after it for the same reason the US Federal government took on the mob 60 years ago.

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by likeabatterycar »

yndoendo wrote: post #24
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #17

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Yes and no. Once (if) the government cracks on the retailer, the retailer cracks down on sellers who use their platform. Additionally, the retailer could actually have ethics of their own and choose willingly to raise the bar.

Worked for a company that made a machine used for automated. Built with USA government specifics and it could remove limbs. Over 1600 Newton force, equivalent to an adult panda. Model A. It was risk assessed and needed a complete redesign for the EU market. Model B is so safe it cannot even take off a finger. Now model A is no longer built and model B is sold in the USA and EU. It was not the goodness of the company…

No one in history has ever looked at a piece of machinery and thought, "You know what would make this better? Castration by EU government regulations."

Meanwhile the EU bathes in the same Chinese garbage imported by the boat-load as long as it carries the CE mark, which they are allowed to self-certify in nearly every case, making it meaningless.

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Post by geor9e »

metalman wrote: post #4

loads for me, have cookies,java script, dom storage, off by default..add blockers on, I get just the text which is just fine still dont understand how a major disk maker got caught up in something as skeezy as this though

>dont understand how a major disk maker got caught up in something as skeezy as this

I'm not sure what you mean by "caught up in". You make it sound like their employees were involved. It's a pretty universal organized crime problem affecting all sorts of industries - used part dealers rolling back the odometer on things and sneaking them back into the supply chain as low milage or new. A store might be an "authorized distributor" but that doesn't mean they can't be tricked by a fake salesperson. Every brand battles counterfeiters and fraudsters somewhat. Here's a Western Digital odometer reset for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL9u6QwTsW8 Gotta be careful what alleyway you buy your rolexes from.

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

teddyh wrote: post #16
bluedino wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon and eBay should crack down on this crap. I bought some tools on Amazon, sent them back because of quality issues, and left a 1 star review (they don't allow zero star reviews but that's another issue). Sure enough I get an email offering to send me a replacement, asking me to remove my review, I reported it and who knows what happens from there. Now, I have had very similar things happen on a website like Home…

> Amazon and eBay should crack down on this crap. Amazon and eBay are companies, which will do whatever is profitable and legal. The entity which should crack down on this is the government.

Customers avoid your platform because they associate it with scams is unprofitable, but since the effect is delayed, it'll be ignored until it's a blatant problem and the majority of customers have learned the hard way.

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by ce4 »

neilv wrote: post #31
nomius10 wrote: post #8

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Alternatively the "reader view" feature in Firefox can be used as the entire article is loaded in memory (as opposed to other websites where they'd load a preview till you agree to cookies / pay for a subscription)

Unless it's been fixed recently, Firefox Reader View inexplicably bypasses your uBlock Origin, so you actually get violated harder by using Reader View.

Is there more information on this?

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by gruez »

aaronax wrote: post #50
gruez wrote: post #41

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What happens if a customer made a hasty negative review but the vendor reached out and genuinely resolved/fixed the issue?

You know, 1 star reviews are ok. It's like people want to do anything to keep from a single undeserved 1 star review from happening. What if the same logic was applied to 5 star reviews?

>What if the same logic was applied to 5 star reviews?

I see plenty of 5 star reviews being edited to 2-3 star reviews afterwards though?

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by stevenwoo »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #65
teddyh wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amazon and eBay should crack down on this crap. Amazon and eBay are companies, which will do whatever is profitable and legal. The entity which should crack down on this is the government.

Customers avoid your platform because they associate it with scams is unprofitable, but since the effect is delayed, it'll be ignored until it's a blatant problem and the majority of customers have learned the hard way.

Or they have incorporated the cost of returns into their pricing and it is still profitable, like Amazon.

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Post by makeitdouble »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #65
teddyh wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amazon and eBay should crack down on this crap. Amazon and eBay are companies, which will do whatever is profitable and legal. The entity which should crack down on this is the government.

Customers avoid your platform because they associate it with scams is unprofitable, but since the effect is delayed, it'll be ignored until it's a blatant problem and the majority of customers have learned the hard way.

Unless you succeed in killing half of the competition in the meantime and the remaining sellers follow the same pattern as you as you're getting away with it and they see the end game.

Customers will then suck it up and it becomes the new normal.

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Post by makeitdouble »

csomar wrote: post #33
teddyh wrote: post #16

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> Amazon and eBay should crack down on this crap. Amazon and eBay are companies, which will do whatever is profitable and legal. The entity which should crack down on this is the government.

Losing consumer confidence is not profitable. There is a reason people spend more with credit card protections. Amazon is abusing its dominant position to make short-term profits. It is short-sighted and negligent.

It's been going on for at least a decade, Amazon is still the online retail leader, the main competitors are scammers on Instagram, Temu and AliExpress. Some people will make a point in patronizing more local platforms, but that's far from the critical mass.

I'm curious where you see the short-sightedness of this objectively successful and already long lasting strategy ?

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