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Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by sneak »

Ekaros wrote: post #35
teddyh wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amazon and eBay should crack down on this crap. Amazon and eBay are companies, which will do whatever is profitable and legal. The entity which should crack down on this is the government.

Ebay to me is always bit of an uncontrolled market. But on other hand I fully expect Amazon and other such marketplaces to fully vet their suppliers. And if they are doing fulfilment take any legal hits from not doing reasonable due diligence with stolen or fraudulent merch.

In thirty seconds you can find fake 2TB flash drives for sale for like $25 on amazon.

So can amazon staff.

They are still for sale. Lots have negative reviews from people who lost data because these are 64gb drives with reflashed firmware to report 2048gb.

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by Havoc »

Wow. Heise takes #1 prize in most anal advertising consent form. Literally a individual reject button for every one of their billion individual ad partners and consent to advertising as a whole has only an Accept button.

At that point you may as well just cover the entire screen with a "Agree to anything" button

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by ldoughty »

b112 wrote: post #7
metalman wrote: post #4

loads for me, have cookies,java script, dom storage, off by default..add blockers on, I get just the text which is just fine still dont understand how a major disk maker got caught up in something as skeezy as this though

It sounds like Seagate has nothing to do with this. It sounds like someone is scamming retailers and distributors. None of the drives in this article were shipped by Seagate, only some by authorized resellers. EG, Amazon, newegg are authorized resellers.

Indeed. Force the seller to be the retailer itself and see if you still have this problem...

Any other seller is (at a glance) indistinguishable as a legitimate business or a scalper/scammer.. and there's plenty of legitimate businesses operating in the grey area in-between too.

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by aspenmayer »

gruez wrote: post #41
thayne wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All they would have to do to prevent it is make it so if you give a 1 star review, you can't change it to something else later.

What happens if a customer made a hasty negative review but the vendor reached out and genuinely resolved/fixed the issue?

It would be nice to see the entire interaction, from verified purchase on Amazon, to first review, and any subsequent changes or updates to the review, and whether or not a return or replacement of the product in the original verified purchase has occurred on a timeline per review.

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by sneak »

tlb wrote: post #36
teddyh wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amazon and eBay should crack down on this crap. Amazon and eBay are companies, which will do whatever is profitable and legal. The entity which should crack down on this is the government.

It's profitable for Amazon and eBay to have reliable reviews and fewer dissatisfied customers.

Not all customers are created equal, and amazon and ebay control what reviews are shown on their own websites.

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by IshKebab »

Tarq0n wrote: post #38
alistairSH wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot the 3rd option… don’t consume their content. Pay, allow cookies, or surf elsewhere. GDPR doesn’t require them to give away content for free. Edit - ok, being downvoted - how should content be monetized if both targeted ads and subscriptions are off the table? Are we saying GDPR requires a site to operate off generic, non-targeted ads?

Targeted ads aren't the only kind of ads. Disregarding for a moment that you can do some amount of targetting without collecting PII too.

Some sites can do that. E.g. Hacker News would easily be able to do targeted advertising without collecting any data because it's a self-selected audience. Even someone like The Verge could probably do a decent job (just advertise games and tech stuff). But what the hell would The New York Times advertise? They're back at TV-style cars and perfume advertising which isn't profitable enough to sustain most businesses.

I think Google's flock was the only serious attempt to solve this, but obviously it got heavily criticised by HN fundamentalists who think that the web should be entirely free and ad-free with zero tracking. To be fair it does have a rather big practical issue in that only Google has any incentive to actually implement it (I don't see why Microsoft or Mozilla or Apple would ever bother).

We're probably stuck with tracking unless the EU gets some sense and mandates a do-not-track style preference system, and actually enforces it with fines.

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

daneel_w wrote: post #6

The same scheme is very common on the market for "new" laptop batteries sold by Chinese retailers on for example eBay. The batteries will come with a reprogrammed charge cycle count of 0, an unlikely serial number of all-zeroes/ones/nines or 123456789 etc., and with about 50% of its marketed capacity. As soon as you bring up a refund/warranty errand with the retailer they will offer a 50% discount for the battery in…

This has happened to me on eBay twice for items marked as "free returns" which claimed to have a hassle-free return process. My response was that they're obligated to return full price, or they can expect me to open a claim with eBay to get it, and that I am for sure giving negative feedback! Both times they caved and gave me 100% refund and told me to just keep the broken item. I still gave negative feedback. I'm not just losing money with these bastards, I'm wasting valuable time, and that is not something that can be refunded.

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by mock-possum »

daneel_w wrote: post #6

The same scheme is very common on the market for "new" laptop batteries sold by Chinese retailers on for example eBay. The batteries will come with a reprogrammed charge cycle count of 0, an unlikely serial number of all-zeroes/ones/nines or 123456789 etc., and with about 50% of its marketed capacity. As soon as you bring up a refund/warranty errand with the retailer they will offer a 50% discount for the battery in…

> As soon as you bring up a refund/warranty errand with the retailer they will offer a 50% discount for the battery in return for you not giving them a 1-star rating.

Wait how is that supposed to work - why would you buy another bad battery from them at 50% off? why would they have any say in why review you leave?

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by alistairSH »

Tarq0n wrote: post #38
alistairSH wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot the 3rd option… don’t consume their content. Pay, allow cookies, or surf elsewhere. GDPR doesn’t require them to give away content for free. Edit - ok, being downvoted - how should content be monetized if both targeted ads and subscriptions are off the table? Are we saying GDPR requires a site to operate off generic, non-targeted ads?

Targeted ads aren't the only kind of ads. Disregarding for a moment that you can do some amount of targetting without collecting PII too.

Sure, but do those ads generate enough revenue to stay in business?

How is this site’s “Pay or Take a Cookie” approach worse for the consumer than a total paywall?

I’d rather we didn’t have to have annoying ads, but generating and hosting content costs money.

Re: Hard disk fraud: long runtimes on new Seagate hard disks

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Post by ryanhecht »

daneel_w wrote: post #6

The same scheme is very common on the market for "new" laptop batteries sold by Chinese retailers on for example eBay. The batteries will come with a reprogrammed charge cycle count of 0, an unlikely serial number of all-zeroes/ones/nines or 123456789 etc., and with about 50% of its marketed capacity. As soon as you bring up a refund/warranty errand with the retailer they will offer a 50% discount for the battery in…

> about 50% of its marketed capacity

> they will offer a 50% discount

I feel like I would need more than a 50% discount in order to go along with this...needing to charge/swap a battery more frequently is added cost! :p

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