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Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by lubujackson »

saghm wrote: post #59
zozbot234 wrote: post #53

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> when you get asked why you did apply. What they're really asking, translated to "blunt and frank communication" mode is: "Why should we even care that you applied?" Then saying "hey, I need money for blah whatever" is non-responsive, but you can just talk about why you think you might be a good fit for them after all. Much of this stuff is just cultural anyway. There are Western societies where being "blunt and fra…

> What they're really asking, translated to "blunt and frank communication" mode is: "Why should we even care that you applied?" Then saying "hey, I need money for blah whatever" is non-responsive, but you can just talk about why you think you might be a good fit for them after all. Yes, and that's exactly what's confusing to people like me who have autism; the question being asked isn't actually the question that th…

I have experienced these feelings personally, but to bring up a high school metaphor - at some point I realized the popular kids weren't just dumb pretty people but spent a lot more time and mental energy on thinking through how they appear, how others regard them and understanding the social relationship amongst each other.

Realizing this, getting called "socially retarded" wasn't just an insult but somewhat descriptive. My mind was much more focused on other things and I could see and appreciate the result of those social efforts but at the time it seemed too much work and not very fun to bother with.

So I doubt the cause is a lack of ability or capabilities that leads to magical social awareness but actual compounding effort over years and decades. If you talk to a NT person about a situation they say "it's obvious" but if they break it down you see there actually is a richer decision tree underneath where they are empathizing with the other person's perspective and triangulating on their overall objectives and both physical and verbal cues they are providing to guide you one way or the other.

Realizing this means it is a difficult but solveable problem, which I found a great improvement over "I can't" or "they are the weird ones".

Obviously your brand of ND may be different from mind but everyone comes in with different skills as well as interests and focuses. It is best to remember were are ALL neuro-different, it is just a matter of degree and flavor. And also that no of this is innately easy for anyone - humans are social creatures and it makes sense our brains are equipped foe and spend a lot of energy on solving these problems.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by Der_Einzige »

spoonfeeder006 wrote: post #86
cyocum wrote: post #69

I am not an expert in any way, shape or form but I wonder how this squares with this other journal article in Nature: Molecular Psychiatry which came out in 2024? "11C-UCB-J PET imaging is consistent with lower synaptic density in autistic adults" https://doi.org/10.1038/s41380-024-02776-2 Edited to add title of the article

OP's article is about children, yours is about adults. OP's article's conclusion states "Furthermore, our study highlights the importance of studying neurodevelopmental disorders closer to their onset, rather than in adulthood when a lifetime of compensatory mechanisms may have already taken place" As I understand, autistic people often get negative reinforcement from authoritarian mindsets of society (follow the gen…

One of the lessons that I would hope that the world learns from the rise of the radical right world-wide is that platitudes about universalism, egalitarianism, empathy, and basically everything that the Baha'i faith teaches makes people hate you and want to kill you. This has been true historically (see treatment of Baha`i faith by like everyone) and is true today. These platitudes that you and the Baha`i faith (and jains) espoused seem to trigger a revulsion to "weakness" and "submissiveness" among others around them. Early Christians had to deal with the same extreme hatred.

Autistic people suffer the same fate. Dr. Hans Asperger could only say the "smart" autistic people from certain death by showing that they are useful to the war machine and could produce rockets so Nazis could continue gassing people longer.

Even today, "Autist" as a slur or insult is used even more than "Retard" 10 or 20 years ago, and the connotations around "Autist" are very similar to "Incel". Most people genuinely feel a level of horror that leads to "I wish you didn't exist" when they are around a chris-chan tier autistic person.

The world isn't ready to accept universalism, or love, or happieness, or peace or any of that hippy shit. The world wants a boot from a strongman on its face - forever!

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by Der_Einzige »

sickblastoise wrote: post #72
zozbot234 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when you get asked why you did apply. What they're really asking, translated to "blunt and frank communication" mode is: "Why should we even care that you applied?" Then saying "hey, I need money for blah whatever" is non-responsive, but you can just talk about why you think you might be a good fit for them after all. Much of this stuff is just cultural anyway. There are Western societies where being "blunt and fra…

Chat, are Dutch people autistic?

4chan seems to privately believe that Germans and all Germanic groups are plagued by ethnic autism. I tongue in cheek believe it given how dry their humor is.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by Der_Einzige »

HPsquared wrote: post #58
aqueueaqueue wrote: post #31

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Autism plus "AI for social" coprocessor could be a wicked combo ;)

AKA a wife (or other life partner)

You won't be ready for what AI is about to do to human sexuality/romantic tendencies.

You think the war of the sex's is bad now? Just wait until a man or woman can literally buy a human-like android which never says no.

I anticipate things like the marriage rate, partnership rates, dating rates and similar to further crater compared to where they are now. Human based marriages will be the minority by the end of the century, likely far before it.

Almost no policy makers consider this, but it's clearly staring us in the face. Go see civit.ai to see de-facto what people learned how to use adapter/lora models for. The overwhelming majority of text-to-image content and plurality of text-to-video created today by AI is hardcore NSFW.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by lupusreal »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #92
spoonfeeder006 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP's article is about children, yours is about adults. OP's article's conclusion states "Furthermore, our study highlights the importance of studying neurodevelopmental disorders closer to their onset, rather than in adulthood when a lifetime of compensatory mechanisms may have already taken place" As I understand, autistic people often get negative reinforcement from authoritarian mindsets of society (follow the gen…

One of the lessons that I would hope that the world learns from the rise of the radical right world-wide is that platitudes about universalism, egalitarianism, empathy, and basically everything that the Baha'i faith teaches makes people hate you and want to kill you. This has been true historically (see treatment of Baha`i faith by like everyone) and is true today. These platitudes that you and the Baha`i faith (and…

Chris Chan is an abusive person and has been for a very long time (before the "internet found him", he was making rape threats against girls in his highschool.) He freaks people out for good reason. It's not fair to autistic people to use Chris Chan as some sort of archetype for autism.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by Der_Einzige »

lupusreal wrote: post #95
Der_Einzige wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the lessons that I would hope that the world learns from the rise of the radical right world-wide is that platitudes about universalism, egalitarianism, empathy, and basically everything that the Baha'i faith teaches makes people hate you and want to kill you. This has been true historically (see treatment of Baha`i faith by like everyone) and is true today. These platitudes that you and the Baha`i faith (and…

Chris Chan is an abusive person and has been for a very long time (before the "internet found him", he was making rape threats against girls in his highschool.) He freaks people out for good reason. It's not fair to autistic people to use Chris Chan as some sort of archetype for autism.

Why not? Being a horrible person equaling people liking you is exactly my point! He famously now has a finnish girlfriend (Flutter) who is much more attractive than him. This has lead to hilarious 4chan threads where the incels of 4chan lament at how CHRIS CHAN is getting laid and they aren't.

Chris Chan and flutter are having children! Chris Chan will have a legacy, and this is mere months after having possibly risked it with his own mother! https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/news-who-flutter-acc...

He's more evidence that trying to be "ethically good" leads to bad life outcomes and the moment that he embraced his "dark" side, his life outcomes literally got way better. He's evidence that god hates the weak.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by AngryData »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #75
someothherguyy wrote: post #48

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Is causing what to happen? Killing people? Making them sterile? Making them grow huge dicks? Giving them 40 wives? As far as I can tell, autism isn't really a trait one wants in order to be successful sexually.

I dunno, look at Elon with his X children.

Elon isn't autistic, he is just an asshole who wanted an excuse to deflect blame for his actions.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by AnthonBerg »

AnthonBerg wrote: post #55
funnym0nk3y wrote: post #54

I wonder how that ties into the hyperconnectivity induced by various psychoactive substances like psilocybin. All the research about GABA and glutamate seems too low level to me and not specific enough for treatment targets. Somewhat like using body weight to determine that disease.

I’d suggest tracing a line through the points of published research on autism, hyperthermia and its effects on autism spectrum related behaviors, the effect of Interleukin-17 thereon, the relationship from between IL-17 and Th17 helper cells, and the 5-HT2A receptor’s effects on Th17 cell regulation. And other stuff. Like thermoregulation. There’s more interesting stuff on the way and at every point. To manage expect…

I want to note that I am NOT making a connection to vaccines, nor do I see one. (Quite the opposite actually!)

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by saghm »

lubujackson wrote: post #91
saghm wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What they're really asking, translated to "blunt and frank communication" mode is: "Why should we even care that you applied?" Then saying "hey, I need money for blah whatever" is non-responsive, but you can just talk about why you think you might be a good fit for them after all. Yes, and that's exactly what's confusing to people like me who have autism; the question being asked isn't actually the question that th…

I have experienced these feelings personally, but to bring up a high school metaphor - at some point I realized the popular kids weren't just dumb pretty people but spent a lot more time and mental energy on thinking through how they appear, how others regard them and understanding the social relationship amongst each other. Realizing this, getting called "socially retarded" wasn't just an insult but somewhat descrip…

> So I doubt the cause is a lack of ability or capabilities that leads to magical social awareness but actual compounding effort over years and decades. If you talk to a NT person about a situation they say "it's obvious" but if they break it down you see there actually is a richer decision tree underneath where they are empathizing with the other person's perspective and triangulating on their overall objectives and both physical and verbal cues they are providing to guide you one way or the other.

I've been spending effort on this my whole life, and being in the position where it's still quite difficult for me but I manage to get by is the result of that effort, not because of a lack of it. If this was something I hadn't worked on with significant effort all these years, I wouldn't even be able to have the conversation that we're having right now without getting too frustrated or anxious to the point that I would just give up rather than try to engage at all in conversations online with strangers.

It's interesting to me that what I've described fits with feeling you've experienced, because I'm honestly having trouble feeling like much of what you describe having felt resembles what I've felt over the years. I don't think I ever assumed that other people didn't spend effort trying to understand how other people felt, and I spent _significant_ time and energy trying to understand what I could do to better relate to others; I just never was particularly successful at it.

It's worth mentioning is that I don't have any trouble empathizing with people generally; when people are sad or angry, or when I notice that they're experiencing something that I think is unfair, I feel those feelings quite strongly myself. My issue isn't that I can't relate to the feelings other people have, but that with the exception of people I'm close to and have spent a lot of time with, I have a lot of trouble figuring out exactly how other people feel if they don't express it to me. I've talked with plenty of neurotypical people about how they approach situations in the exact way you describe, but I haven't ever been able to do anything remotely similar to what they describe.

You mentioned that "it's just a matter of degree and flavor", but it seems like you assume that implies that the distribution of differences people have is relatively uniform. From my perspective, the issues you described having and the ways you learned to deal with them are so different from my experience that it's honestly feels like you're using them to handwave away the idea that anyone else might struggle with things far more than you did. I don't think that's your intention, but it really does come across like you fundamentally don't think that anyone struggles with these things much more or less than you have, and as someone who's tried my whole life to try to learn to communicate better with others, it seems pretty dismissive.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by Thiez »

chubbyFIREthrwy wrote: post #89
Aurornis wrote: post #78

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> Example: In a Job interview, when you get asked why you did apply. Its the social norm to lie and make up some reason that sounds good, and saying the truth "i need money to pay my rent" makes you the weird one This question has been included (not by my choice) in some hiring loops where I’ve been an interviewer. There are a lot of good answers that are definitely not lies. You see a lot of candidates who actually…

Good points, I appreciate the perspective! But, as someone probably on the spectrum, I still feel like the point about "NT people can't talk about facts" holds up. Like, if someone replies, "I need the money etc" why can't NTs better clarify what they mean? For example, "Okay but why this company/role/specialty" as opposed to ?" If someone lacks the self-awareness to narrow down what they're looking for in a case lik…

It's not rocket science. What is the purpose of the interview? For the company, to find out if you are a good fit for them. The questions must be interpreted in that context.

That you need money is not interesting information to them, that will be true for (almost?) all other applicants too. So when they ask: 'why do you want this job?' they mean 'why do you want THIS job?' so they actually do literally say word-for-word what they mean. So you answer with stuff like why you might like the job, or why it is a good career step for you, or why your skills make you a good fit.

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