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Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by baq »

Anotheroneagain wrote: post #40

There is no deficit. Their neocortexes haven't died, and they are not insane. Just like the "intelligent" physicist concocts a theory, and then proves himself completely wrong with an experiment, an "intelligent" man concocts a social conspiracy theory, but nothing proves him wrong: instead, he pronounces those who "don't get it" hopelesly stupid, too socially dumb to participate in a society.

This sounds like memespeak cope. There is a deficit from the perspective of other people participating in the society. Yes, nothing died inside. No, it isn’t necessary for anything to be dead for a deficit to exist.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by sanitycheck »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #27
airstrike wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a survival and reproduction advantage from that?

> Is there a survival and reproduction advantage from that? Low-grade autism is overrepresented in Silicon Valley. That wealth absolutely confers a reproductive advantage.

Any evidence the reproduction rate is higher among tech workers, or even among the wealthy in general? From what I've gathered in the past autistic people are more likely than average to not reproduce.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by The_Amp_Walrus »

On this topic I really enjoyed reading "Autism as a disorder of dimensionality"

https://opentheory.net/2023/05/autism-as-a-disorder-of-dimen...

I'm just a casual reader I can't vouch for the veracity of the content, but I found it very interesting

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by hiciu »

baq wrote: post #41
Anotheroneagain wrote: post #40

There is no deficit. Their neocortexes haven't died, and they are not insane. Just like the "intelligent" physicist concocts a theory, and then proves himself completely wrong with an experiment, an "intelligent" man concocts a social conspiracy theory, but nothing proves him wrong: instead, he pronounces those who "don't get it" hopelesly stupid, too socially dumb to participate in a society.

This sounds like memespeak cope. There is a deficit from the perspective of other people participating in the society. Yes, nothing died inside. No, it isn’t necessary for anything to be dead for a deficit to exist.

The double empathy problem explains why it may not be a deficiency, just a "different brain language" between ND and NT people.

Basically, from autistic perspective, it's the non autistic people who have deficiencies in communication. There's been a whole lot of research about that in the last 10-15 years or so. And a lot of memes in the community.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by Anotheroneagain »

baq wrote: post #41
Anotheroneagain wrote: post #40

There is no deficit. Their neocortexes haven't died, and they are not insane. Just like the "intelligent" physicist concocts a theory, and then proves himself completely wrong with an experiment, an "intelligent" man concocts a social conspiracy theory, but nothing proves him wrong: instead, he pronounces those who "don't get it" hopelesly stupid, too socially dumb to participate in a society.

This sounds like memespeak cope. There is a deficit from the perspective of other people participating in the society. Yes, nothing died inside. No, it isn’t necessary for anything to be dead for a deficit to exist.

There is NO deficit.

While science allowed the schizophrenics to fix their material related thinking (but they eventually corrupted that anyway) and become somewhat funcional in that regard, they have always stayed socially isolated. As such, all recent history that we are taught is narrated from their perspective. People suffered horribly, until science allowed the people to rise up against THEM. Anything else is at best mentioned as a side note, utter madness, a fringe belief only held by the 95% of the people. They were harmed, opressed, subjugated and gassed, and whatever else, but now they are free.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by someothherguyy »

codr7 wrote: post #2

What if growing bigger, more connected brains is the next evolutionary step? Doesn't seem entirely unreasonable to me.

What is the selective pressure? How is this becoming more widely expressed (if it actually is)?

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by ok_dad »

someothherguyy wrote: post #46
codr7 wrote: post #2

What if growing bigger, more connected brains is the next evolutionary step? Doesn't seem entirely unreasonable to me.

What is the selective pressure? How is this becoming more widely expressed (if it actually is)?

Rapid data ingestion?

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by someothherguyy »

ok_dad wrote: post #47
someothherguyy wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the selective pressure? How is this becoming more widely expressed (if it actually is)?

Rapid data ingestion?

Is causing what to happen?

Killing people? Making them sterile? Making them grow huge dicks? Giving them 40 wives?

As far as I can tell, autism isn't really a trait one wants in order to be successful sexually.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by iinnPP »

aqueueaqueue wrote: post #33
thinkingkong wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fitness function that would govern that evolution would be new though. We’d be intentionally optimizing for brains that work that way with some new social or technical construct. Like if we said “autism is the new exposed ankles” and suddenly had many more babies who also demonstrated that trait. Or if we had access to technology that would select for that outcome, gattaca style.

Fitness function? What if end up walking down the eugenics path or genetic engineering.

Society took the biggest of bats and beat the ever loving love out of the fitness function in many parts of the world.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Post by blueflow »

hiciu wrote: post #44
baq wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like memespeak cope. There is a deficit from the perspective of other people participating in the society. Yes, nothing died inside. No, it isn’t necessary for anything to be dead for a deficit to exist.

The double empathy problem explains why it may not be a deficiency, just a "different brain language" between ND and NT people. Basically, from autistic perspective, it's the non autistic people who have deficiencies in communication. There's been a whole lot of research about that in the last 10-15 years or so. And a lot of memes in the community.

> it's the non autistic people who have deficiencies in communication

Example: In a Job interview, when you get asked why you did apply. Its the social norm to lie and make up some reason that sounds good, and saying the truth "i need money to pay my rent" makes you the weird one.

People say ND people are blunt and frank... but the other side of the same coin would be that NT people can't talk about facts.

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