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Re: Gunsmith Uses 3D Printer To Make A Rifle

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Only with open carry. It's possible that pulling out a gun may defuse a situation, but lots of people seem to think "I'll just wave my gun and it'll stop the people harassing me." You should only pull out a gun if the situation, at that time, is dangerous enough to warrant pulling the trigger.

A gun doesn't have to be visible to deter crime. Just the possibility of a victim having a gun is plenty of deterrence. I'd much rather burgle an Australian or English home than one in the US, given how many homes in the US have guns.

This is true. I like people not knowing whether or not I have a gun. It lets me free-ride on other people while greatly reducing the risk of a gun accident in my house.

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#112
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> If the United States ever got serious about banning firearms, a massive homebrew industry would grow up overnight. Do you have any stats or experience to back that up? It might happen, but you are stating as fact something that's not been tested. Anecdotally, in Australia where gun laws are very strict, it's difficult to get firearms. Yes, serious hardened criminals still get their hands on them, which certainly is…

The US is different -- the murder rate is a cultural/economic problem, not a guns problem per se.

You are the first person to mention this but it is completely true. We are not a mono culture by any means. As a nation we have deep divisions in our cultures and ideologies. Yet to be politically correct they are almost never discussed.

Re: Gunsmith Uses 3D Printer To Make A Rifle

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Any competent machinist can make functional semiautomatic weapons. This is just the next step in making it even easier. If the United States ever got serious about banning firearms, a massive homebrew industry would grow up overnight. Gunpowder is not fundamentally harder to make than methamphetamine. People who quite rightly see our drug laws as pointless and ineffective somehow often miss that a gun ban would be no…

Banning guns will require a change in the constitution, and will likely never happen as a result. In addition, even if it did happen, it would likely be unpopular because of the demand side as you mention. That being said, the argument(s) for mandatory background checks, tracking whose buying what, and assault weapons restrictions are pretty compelling, and while they are supply side solutions, they can hardly be cal…

6,000 rounds is like 120 boxes. I have that many in my closet and at least as many empties. I don't know why this is getting tossed around as some unreasonably large amount of ammo. If you go to gun shows, you see nice deals all the time and it's kind of hard not to collect that much over a period of a few years.

Re: Gunsmith Uses 3D Printer To Make A Rifle

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With a murder rate twice any other developed country[1], the United States clearly has a serious violence problem, and taking guns out of the hands of the average Joe would surely help reduce it. The second clause does not follow from the first. Murder in the US is heavily demographically biased, and most gun owners are not murderers. Furthermore, will you be the one going door to door to collect everyone's firearms?…

To be fair, this tool has only one use: it kills things. Whenever I see arguments about how we should ban cars because they kill more people than guns per year, I always think about that. Cars are good for all kinds of things, and they happen to incidentally cause death. Guns are pretty much only good for killing things. I live in the U.S. I'm not saying we should uniformly ban all weapons, period; I think the issue…

Yes, guns destroy human beings, that is their purpose. And it is difficult for a lot of people to grapple with the idea that such seemingly fundamentally, some would say, evil devices can be used for good.

The comparison with cars is a good one though. Cars are an example of how lethal power exists in the hands of many in society. And that's true to an enormous degree, not just with cars though they are a prime example. Most people have the ability to take the lives of others without a great deal of effort. Imagine what would happen if, say, 1ppm of humanity woke up and decided to do murder that day. There would be a lot of killings. And yet society is still largely peaceful. Because most people can be trusted with the lives of their fellow humans. And it's important to realize how deeply we take that for granted. Something as simple as riding a bus or driving in traffic represents a tremendous trust in our fellow citizens to not murder us, and they trust us not to murder them as well.

Firearms do not represent injecting a unique capability for death and injury into society, they're just make that aspect of daily life more blatantly obvious. But just as with cars, knives, fists, pencils, hammers, bricks, fire, and all that most people can be trusted with firearms most of the time. And indeed when firearms are allowed into the hands of citizens of good intent they can be used to thwart crimes quite often. Many rapes and roberies have been stopped by firearms, often just by the mere presence of a firearm (not even counting the deterrent effects). And in some spectacular cases firearms have been used defensively to stop mass murders in their tracks. But these examples tend to be less dramatic than successful mass shootings, so they tend to be less well known.

On the whole, the point still stands, it is safer for the average person to own a gun than to own a car. And that is a testament to the trustworthiness of the average citizen, and the degree to which many people take gun ownership seriously and solemnly.

Re: Gunsmith Uses 3D Printer To Make A Rifle

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> I resent your (probably intentional) choice of names. Were you trying to pick on rednecks/hicks? Apologies. I was trying to use a "generic" name. > Second, "Unregistered"? "Unlicensed"? What good is paperwork going to do if he decides to shoot someone? I expect he'll be less likely to kill people if he knows the weapon is tied to him. (and he might not have it in the first place, which is the case if I try to buy o…

I expect he'll be less likely to kill people if he knows the weapon is tied to him. If he's already hot-blooded, it seems reasonable that he won't care. I mean say a .22 instead of a center fire. Less killing power. bolt action also means less killing power (i.e. much slower) Ah, okay, but why not something like a 12-gauge shell, or just a blunderbuss? Or just normal/common 9mm/.45 ammunition? knife could harm or kil…

> If he's already hot-blooded, it seems reasonable that he won't care.

Good point, he might do it anyway due to "blind rage"

> Ah, okay, but why not something like a 12-gauge shell, or just a blunderbuss? Or just normal/common 9mm/.45 ammunition?

I was making the assumption that any home-made rifle would be crude and small caliber, probably bolt-action (at best). I was assuming it would have less "killing power" because of the time to re-load and crudeness of it all. (I was not commenting on the force of the round itself)

> Mankind has been using knives to kill in great numbers since we discovered the first sharp flint. Even in only the past ten years:

The first incident was 8 children killed (and let's be honest, you can kill 7 and 8 year olds with your hands). The second incident was 3 adults killed. That's a lot different that 12 dead and 70 people shot overall with a semi-auto.

> Cool. What models, out of curiosity?

The .30-06 is a Remington 700 XCR. Up here in Yukon by law you must use a minimum of .30 for bison, so it's good for them (we gone one last year), moose (we got two), caribou (still looking). The season opens next week, can't wait.

Re: Gunsmith Uses 3D Printer To Make A Rifle

#116
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There is still a significant number of people in the US who hunt for subsistence, or to supplement their diet. If you live in rural Alaska, you might rely on your gun for daily survival in a very real and immediate sense. Some cynics might say the same for Compton or Detroit.

Japan's Swords and Firearms laws allow for that. It's a lengthy and involved process. It's not a short process, but if you could prove that it was really necessary -such as life sustaining necessary, you could obtain a shotgun, for example.

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Re: Gunsmith Uses 3D Printer To Make A Rifle

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Any competent machinist can make functional semiautomatic weapons. This is just the next step in making it even easier. If the United States ever got serious about banning firearms, a massive homebrew industry would grow up overnight. Gunpowder is not fundamentally harder to make than methamphetamine. People who quite rightly see our drug laws as pointless and ineffective somehow often miss that a gun ban would be no…

Banning guns will require a change in the constitution, and will likely never happen as a result. In addition, even if it did happen, it would likely be unpopular because of the demand side as you mention. That being said, the argument(s) for mandatory background checks, tracking whose buying what, and assault weapons restrictions are pretty compelling, and while they are supply side solutions, they can hardly be cal…

This idea has been floated around many times. All you would be doing is telling every criminal where guns where. Not a good idea at all.

Also almost 50% of the people in this country own a fire arm. So I am not sure it would have the same "stigmatizing effect" as it isn't illegal or generally thought of as being a terrible act in and of itself.

Please keep in mind most people who shoot buy large amounts of ammo as it is cheaper to do it that way. Shooting 6k rounds a year down a pistol or small caliber rifle is very easy to do and isn't a sign of someone stock piling for Armageddon. So yes I would gladly share a wall with someone who has 6k rounds of ammo.

Re: Gunsmith Uses 3D Printer To Make A Rifle

#118
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Exactly. See my post about making guns by hand. As a 12 year old boy I was making gunpowder from drugstore items and launching rockets made from rolled-up newspaper. This stuff ain't hard to do!!

Of course. Let's pretend Billy Bob is a heated rage because he just found out so-and-so slept with so-and-so (or whatever). What's more likely? a) He walks around to so-and-sos house with his legally purchased, unlicensed, unregistered semi automatic assault rifle and 1000+ rounds, and kills the whole family, and anyone else unlucky enough to be nearby. or b) He spends days (weeks?) making his own gun, gunpowder and…

By this logic we should live in a police state. Anything to keep the crime rate down right?

Re: Gunsmith Uses 3D Printer To Make A Rifle

#119
post #65

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There is still a significant number of people in the US who hunt for subsistence, or to supplement their diet. If you live in rural Alaska, you might rely on your gun for daily survival in a very real and immediate sense. Some cynics might say the same for Compton or Detroit.

Japan's Swords and Firearms laws allow for that. It's a lengthy and involved process. It's not a short process, but if you could prove that it was really necessary -such as life sustaining necessary, you could obtain a shotgun, for example.

No one needs a Hummer, but someone's buying them.

Re: Gunsmith Uses 3D Printer To Make A Rifle

#120
post #38

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Of course. Let's pretend Billy Bob is a heated rage because he just found out so-and-so slept with so-and-so (or whatever). What's more likely? a) He walks around to so-and-sos house with his legally purchased, unlicensed, unregistered semi automatic assault rifle and 1000+ rounds, and kills the whole family, and anyone else unlucky enough to be nearby. or b) He spends days (weeks?) making his own gun, gunpowder and…

What part of "HOMICIDAL MANIAC" do you not understand? Do you think he'll only kill the family and anyone else who gets in his way ONLY if he has a gun? I don't think this is how homicidal maniacs work.

> What part of "HOMICIDAL MANIAC" do you not understand?

I understand we should try to prevent them from getting their hands weapons that can harm or injure tens of people in a matter of seconds.

70 people hit by one person in a movie theater with a semi-auto. How many do you think it would have been with a knife? or even a bolt action?

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