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You're missing context. Linux Rust devs themselves were unhappy with Hector's flaming "on their behalf".
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Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
#722Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The Rust drama is an uncommon failure of leadership for Torvalds. Instead of decisively saying "no, never" or "yes, make it so," he has consistently equivocated on the Rust issue. Given the crisis of confidence among a sizeable (and very vocal) contingent of the Linux community, that decision has backfired horribly. Efficiently collaborating on large distributed open source projects like Linux is as much social act…
> just keep being open minded about it and let the chips fall where they may. It's a failure of leadership to not intervene when discord threatens the group. He should weigh in, or make sure that someone else who has mutual trust weighs in. In youth sports, something similar happens when referees fail to call fouls on rough play. Players naturally test the limits and then others recognize the lack of protection and r…
You can't rely on an authority to step in every time some disagrees. People need to resolve their own conflicts rather than yell until bailed out
Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
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I've said this before, but the rust community really seems to attract the most toxic and drama-thumping types as their icons. I'm not really sure why such types are drawn to it.
Any trending language will attract some not so great people who make their choice of a shiny language their whole personality. It's really a pity for rust to be in that position now, as those people are there for the feeling of superiority and will cause drama to get it If rust ends up being mainstream successful, those people will move on to something else and start attacking rust for whatever they feel their new la…
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#724Linus vs. Rustaceans: the get off my lawn sequel nobody asked for. Kernel devs now double as drama critics, social media is the new mailing list flamewar arena, and somewhere a C pointer quietly segfaults out of spite. Will rust ever "make install"? Stay tuned! To find out in the next episode of Keeping Up with the Rustaceans
Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
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Can I ask something controversial? What if Rust never becomes a significant part of the Linux kernel? What if they keep stalling and all the people pushing for it give up? There seems to be this faith on HN that Rust absolutely belongs in the Linux kernel and if not, the project is a failure.
My thought is what's telling is the 'rewrite it in rust'. Rust doesn't have a new business case. C was better than assembly. C++ was better than C for GUI applications. JAVA has garbage collection and usually won't force you to fix your machine after a bad crash. Python is better than Perl for quick and dirty stuff. PHP lets you build a web service without much pain. C# is a better Java that also gives you better int…
> Go codebases? Switching to Rust so you can what exactly?
The way I heard it, the Rust's type system, async implementation(s), they way lifetimes just keep propagating once you start, and its macro languages are way more engaging, thus Rust must be superior.
Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
#726Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
#727He also got his treehouse.systems Mastodon account "suspended by a moderator". Not sure if the treehouse people have said anything more specfic, but I am entirely unsurprised given how he behaved on there. It's a quite clear case of "what you accuse others of is what you yourself resort to". He was calling out others for unreasonableness, flaming and sabotage — and did exactly that himself.
See, nobody would close his account if he was still on Twitter.... sorry X now
Yeah, on X he would've been shadow banned long ago instead, for some random left-leaning post that just happened to get too much attention…
Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
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> over half of the C++ devs will feel betrayed and quit supporting the Linux project. They've been working on C++ for Decades and things mostly worked, so they won't pivot for a new language and way of developing for something that exists for less than 30 years. You mean C? C++ has been dead and buried for years and there are 0 kernel devs thinking that C++ will ever be allowed in (that idea was killed in the 00s if…
> C++ has been dead and buried for years LOL, lmao even.
In the Linux kernel
Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
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Was this comment written by an 80 year old who’s watched a Fox News segment on Rust? It definitely reads like that. wsl ‘DOES’ have a rust toolchain, nobody is saying rust is going viral (what on earth…), you tried to install the python packages’ sdist rather than the wheel. Get it together.
Not wanting a huge dependency tree is something understandable by any seasoned developer. Was your comment wrote by a junior javascript developer?
Get a room you two
Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
#730For context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42926732 https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/CAHk-=wi=ZmP2=TmHsFSU...
How is this not the top comment? I was scratching my head wondering until I found your links. So the smackdown from Linus is what motivated it. Honestly though if you read the email Linus is replying to, it was deserved. To be fair, Hector Martin may be one of the smartest hackers alive today. His fame goes way back to hacking the Playstation 3 with geohot and Hector has even found security vulnerabilities in Apple S…
> It seems like he wrote his Apple GPU driver in Rust and he needed Rust DMA support in the kernel.
Did he really NEED it? Why he couldn't use the C API?