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How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Post by loveparade »

qeternity wrote: post #15

Was this written by DeepSeek? Aside from not being in depth, it’s also inaccurate (MoE details and MTP misunderstanding).

IMO the more interesting question is why low-quality stuff like this keeps getting upvoted here. Feels like any submission that has AI in it automatically gets to the front page no matter the quality. Sad state of HN. I just can't imagine that people actually read this stuff and then decide to upvote because they found it useful. It's probably upvoted by people/bots who only read the title.

The whole reason I come to HN in the first place is to filter out BS clickbait articles exactly like this one, not to have them fill the front page.

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Post by quietbritishjim »

loveparade wrote: post #21
qeternity wrote: post #15

Was this written by DeepSeek? Aside from not being in depth, it’s also inaccurate (MoE details and MTP misunderstanding).

IMO the more interesting question is why low-quality stuff like this keeps getting upvoted here. Feels like any submission that has AI in it automatically gets to the front page no matter the quality. Sad state of HN. I just can't imagine that people actually read this stuff and then decide to upvote because they found it useful. It's probably upvoted by people/bots who only read the title. The whole reason I come to…

I'm certainly not an extreme HN old timer, but I've been visiting for a fair number of years and I've seen this sort of complaint since I started, while article quality doesn't seem to have gone down noticeably. In fact, the site rules even caution against complaining that HN is "becoming Reddit", which is essentially the old version of this comment. The fact is that, even here, there will always be a few poor quality articles that slip through.

BTW, pointing out that a particular article is poor, like qeternity's comment, is worthwhile. It's just comments that complain all of HN is going downhill that are tiresome.

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Post by noduerme »

loveparade wrote: post #21
qeternity wrote: post #15

Was this written by DeepSeek? Aside from not being in depth, it’s also inaccurate (MoE details and MTP misunderstanding).

IMO the more interesting question is why low-quality stuff like this keeps getting upvoted here. Feels like any submission that has AI in it automatically gets to the front page no matter the quality. Sad state of HN. I just can't imagine that people actually read this stuff and then decide to upvote because they found it useful. It's probably upvoted by people/bots who only read the title. The whole reason I come to…

It's certainly AI-generated garbage. But it seems to have slipped from first place to 20th in the time it took to read your comment. If it was ranked up by bots, and say 50 fake accounts, they mistimed the velocity.

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Post by loveparade »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #23
loveparade wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO the more interesting question is why low-quality stuff like this keeps getting upvoted here. Feels like any submission that has AI in it automatically gets to the front page no matter the quality. Sad state of HN. I just can't imagine that people actually read this stuff and then decide to upvote because they found it useful. It's probably upvoted by people/bots who only read the title. The whole reason I come to…

I'm certainly not an extreme HN old timer, but I've been visiting for a fair number of years and I've seen this sort of complaint since I started, while article quality doesn't seem to have gone down noticeably. In fact, the site rules even caution against complaining that HN is "becoming Reddit", which is essentially the old version of this comment. The fact is that, even here, there will always be a few poor qualit…

Article quality has IMO gone down considerably in the last 2-3 years ever since LLMs became a thing. Probably not because LLM articles are upvoted by humans, but more likely because it's much easier to create and manage realistic bot fake accounts with LLMs.

We're at a point where it's impossible to tell which users are bots and which are human by looking at their comments.

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Post by noduerme »

csmpltn wrote: post #17
energy123 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because of how corporations and state are tightly fused in China's governance. > A Leninist system features an authoritarian regime in which the ruling elite monopolizes political power in the name of a revolutionary ideology through a highly articulated party structure that parallels, penetrates, and dominates the state at all levels and extends to workplaces, residential areas, and local institutions . From: https:…

As opposed to the US?

Yes. These are not comparable political systems. In the US, the information you share can be accessed by law enforcement with the approval of a judge if there's a crime suspected. But in cases where the government improperly accesses your data, they actually destroy their own case against you, because anything from that poisoned tree of evidence can be thrown out in court. Even when governmental power is abused in the US, it is nothing like the routine surveillance and suppression that chills free thought and speech in a totalitarian dictatorship like China.

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Post by okasaki »

noduerme wrote: post #26
csmpltn wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As opposed to the US?

Yes. These are not comparable political systems. In the US, the information you share can be accessed by law enforcement with the approval of a judge if there's a crime suspected. But in cases where the government improperly accesses your data, they actually destroy their own case against you, because anything from that poisoned tree of evidence can be thrown out in court. Even when governmental power is abused in th…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Post by benreesman »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #23
loveparade wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO the more interesting question is why low-quality stuff like this keeps getting upvoted here. Feels like any submission that has AI in it automatically gets to the front page no matter the quality. Sad state of HN. I just can't imagine that people actually read this stuff and then decide to upvote because they found it useful. It's probably upvoted by people/bots who only read the title. The whole reason I come to…

I'm certainly not an extreme HN old timer, but I've been visiting for a fair number of years and I've seen this sort of complaint since I started, while article quality doesn't seem to have gone down noticeably. In fact, the site rules even caution against complaining that HN is "becoming Reddit", which is essentially the old version of this comment. The fact is that, even here, there will always be a few poor qualit…

I’m an old-timer so I’ve seen multiple cycles of the front page being dominated by a PR blitz. Sometimes it’s startup/money-driven (e.g. mobile applications via smartphone adoption), sometimes it’s a community that organizes elsewhere to promote something to the HN readership in a disciplined way (e.g. Rust), sometimes it’s both (e.g. crypto).

What feels different about this one is that it seems very “top down”, it has the flavor of almost lossless transmission of PR/fundraise diktat from VC/frontier vendor exec/institutional NVIDIA-long fund to militant AGI-next-year-ism at the workaday HN commenter level.

Maybe the powers that be genuinely know something the rest of us don’t, maybe they’re just pot committed (consistent with public evidence), I’m not sure. It’s been kind of a while since the GPT3 -> GPT4 discontinuous event that looked like the first sample from an exponential capability curve. Since then it’s been like, it can use a mouse now. Well, it can kinda use a mouse now. Hey that sounds a lot like the robot in Her.

But whatever the reason, this one is for all the marbles.

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Post by lukan »

loveparade wrote: post #21
qeternity wrote: post #15

Was this written by DeepSeek? Aside from not being in depth, it’s also inaccurate (MoE details and MTP misunderstanding).

IMO the more interesting question is why low-quality stuff like this keeps getting upvoted here. Feels like any submission that has AI in it automatically gets to the front page no matter the quality. Sad state of HN. I just can't imagine that people actually read this stuff and then decide to upvote because they found it useful. It's probably upvoted by people/bots who only read the title. The whole reason I come to…

You have some options here:

- check out the new section and vote up good articles

- flag bad submissions

- or complain about it

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