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How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Why wouldn't it be? OpenAI and Anthropic keep everyone's prompts and use them for training too

Anthropic states that they don't train on the inputs and outputs of their commercial offerings unless you explicitly opt-in: https://privacy.anthropic.com/en/articles/7996868-i-want-to-... Do you think they're lying or where you speaking about free tier offerings?

If they lied about copyright infringements, why wouldn't they lie for data collection too?

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't it be? OpenAI and Anthropic keep everyone's prompts and use them for training too

Anthropic states that they don't train on the inputs and outputs of their commercial offerings unless you explicitly opt-in: https://privacy.anthropic.com/en/articles/7996868-i-want-to-... Do you think they're lying or where you speaking about free tier offerings?

The bigger question is what ELSE are Anthropic/OpenAI/et al. doing with your data? Training is just one of many ways to exploit users’ data. Some of the other possibilities are truly chilling.

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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How could such systems prevent purposeful declining/refusal of correct answers, followed (within the "chat") by demand for "corrections" in misleading ways, and stopping the "chat" only when the answer is obviously wrong? Couldn't instructions in one such solution, meant to DoS (not in volume, but in malicious purposely constructed "conversations") the competitor, lead to an overall degradation of quality in all, eventually?

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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"DeepSeek’s policy states that it stores the information for 'further training' of the chatbot in Chinese servers. While it’s not something to get panicked about (most of the applications follow the same principle, despite not being overly open about it)" Is this really true?

Why wouldn't it be? OpenAI and Anthropic keep everyone's prompts and use them for training too

Because of how corporations and state are tightly fused in China's governance.

> A Leninist system features an authoritarian regime in which the ruling elite monopolizes political power in the name of a revolutionary ideology through a highly articulated party structure that parallels, penetrates, and dominates the state at all levels and extends to workplaces, residential areas, and local institutions.

From: https://www.csis.org/analysis/soviet-lessons-china-watching

All user data submitted to DeepSeek is accessible to the CCP.

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Why wouldn't it be? OpenAI and Anthropic keep everyone's prompts and use them for training too

Because of how corporations and state are tightly fused in China's governance. > A Leninist system features an authoritarian regime in which the ruling elite monopolizes political power in the name of a revolutionary ideology through a highly articulated party structure that parallels, penetrates, and dominates the state at all levels and extends to workplaces, residential areas, and local institutions . From: https:…

As opposed to the US?

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Why wouldn't it be? OpenAI and Anthropic keep everyone's prompts and use them for training too

Because of how corporations and state are tightly fused in China's governance. > A Leninist system features an authoritarian regime in which the ruling elite monopolizes political power in the name of a revolutionary ideology through a highly articulated party structure that parallels, penetrates, and dominates the state at all levels and extends to workplaces, residential areas, and local institutions . From: https:…

all data you submit to Google, OpenAI, Meta, Facebook, Twitter... is accesible by US government.

The US government has been much more belligerent, and it's very natural to see DeepSeek as the lesser of the evils.

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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How could such systems prevent purposeful declining/refusal of correct answers, followed (within the "chat") by demand for "corrections" in misleading ways, and stopping the "chat" only when the answer is obviously wrong? Couldn't instructions in one such solution, meant to DoS (not in volume, but in malicious purposely constructed "conversations") the competitor, lead to an overall degradation of quality in all, eve…

They don't. R1 gets the right answer in the thinking part of the response and ignores it in the response more than half the time in my tests.

Re: How does DeepSeek work: An inside look

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because of how corporations and state are tightly fused in China's governance. > A Leninist system features an authoritarian regime in which the ruling elite monopolizes political power in the name of a revolutionary ideology through a highly articulated party structure that parallels, penetrates, and dominates the state at all levels and extends to workplaces, residential areas, and local institutions . From: https:…

all data you submit to Google, OpenAI, Meta, Facebook, Twitter... is accesible by US government. The US government has been much more belligerent, and it's very natural to see DeepSeek as the lesser of the evils.

The CCP will never be the lesser of two evils.
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