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Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by 999900000999 »

remram wrote: post #199
999900000999 wrote: post #193

Have to side with the one language argument here. It's hard enough to get a single programming language to work right. C is old and stable. Rust is new and mostly stable, mostly stable isn't going to cut it when billions upon billions of devices depend on your work. At the same time this type of ego driven drama keeps me out of the open source community. I have enough people telling me how to code during my 9-5. I op…

Everybody hates spam and abuse, I don't think it supports your claim that much. This is definitely not what anybody thinks of as "collaboration".

In any big project your going to have disagreements.

I need to get paid to deal with stuff like that. No one is going to tell me how to write code without writing me a check.

Even at work I have my limits, although now that I'm older I'm much more inclined to just go with the flow. But if I'm not getting paid what's the point.

I do enjoy game jams though. We only need to work together for a weekend. Plus at least in my circle we only care if the code works.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by mort96 »

iczero wrote: post #200
steveklabnik wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person who quit was not the author of the patch, or a member of Rust for Linux.

The person who quit wrote the Linux graphics driver for Apple M-series GPUs in Rust. edit: I may have gotten some things confused, please see below

No. The person who quit upstream kernel work is Marcan, the head of the Asahi Linux project. The person who developed the kernel driver for M-series GPUs is Lina.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by arp242 »

Philpax wrote: post #79
ChocolateGod wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People using Mastodon to promote pile-ons or brigading? No, never! That's actually one reason I don't use Mastodon, it's extremely common. Isn't this the guy that blocked HackerNews links to the Asahi Linux homepage because the moderators wouldn't do his bidding?

[flagged]

I have paid special attention to these threads, and I have not seen this. And [flagged] comments don't count: any asshole can create an account and post any ol' bollocks. These posts are not "the community": these are posts "the community" has explicitly flagged and rejected.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by microtonal »

nialv7 wrote: post #24
mplewis9z wrote: post #10

Marcan certainly can be abrasive (I mean lol, so can Linus), but all the things he points out in the message below are 100% valid - I highly recommend for anyone here to try to contribute something even very small and logical to the Linux kernel or git (which use similar processes), it’s an eye-opening experience that’s incredibly unapproachable, frustrating, and demoralizing. https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/2…

Looks like @marcan deleted his existence on mastodon? Does anyone have a copy of what he said on there?

As a follower of him on Mastodon this makes me sad. Hector posted a lot of valuable, very informative toots that I learned a lot from.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by mort96 »

caycep wrote: post #196
tedivm wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kernel is doing fine today, but I don't think that's sustainable. The average age of the maintainers seems to be rising, and plenty of skilled people completely avoid kernel development explicitly because of the hostility and, frankly, assholish behavior that comes from the folks on these mailing lists. Eventually a lot of these people are going to age out, retire, or otherwise move on. I do think there will be a…

how forkable is the whole thing? I mean, it is several decades of code but...

It's not.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by arp242 »

nubinetwork wrote: post #15
mplewis9z wrote: post #10

Marcan certainly can be abrasive (I mean lol, so can Linus), but all the things he points out in the message below are 100% valid - I highly recommend for anyone here to try to contribute something even very small and logical to the Linux kernel or git (which use similar processes), it’s an eye-opening experience that’s incredibly unapproachable, frustrating, and demoralizing. https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/2…

While I never submitted a patch personally, I had once conferred with some of the input devs to add a trackpad to the synaptics driver... they were queueing up an update to add other trackpads, and they said they would add mine... 5 years later, it's still not there. It was just a one-liner, and I'm not really sure why it never got added... On the other hand, I once ran into an issue with uboot where a bad update kno…

People forget things etc.

Should probably have just asked again, or sent a small one-line patch. It's "mention something on Slack" vs "creating a GitHub issue/PR"

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by SaggyDoomSr »

999900000999 wrote: post #193

Have to side with the one language argument here. It's hard enough to get a single programming language to work right. C is old and stable. Rust is new and mostly stable, mostly stable isn't going to cut it when billions upon billions of devices depend on your work. At the same time this type of ego driven drama keeps me out of the open source community. I have enough people telling me how to code during my 9-5. I op…

fwiw, i always make my first PR to an open source as simple / uncomplicated as possible. Something like a spelling or grammar fix in documentation. It's a litmus test for how much drama I will need to face on the more complicated code issues to follow. When the project owners ignore or reject simple stuff, I generally wander off somewhere else.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by xeonmc »

999900000999 wrote: post #193

Have to side with the one language argument here. It's hard enough to get a single programming language to work right. C is old and stable. Rust is new and mostly stable, mostly stable isn't going to cut it when billions upon billions of devices depend on your work. At the same time this type of ego driven drama keeps me out of the open source community. I have enough people telling me how to code during my 9-5. I op…

Consider using Codeberg for personal projects and reserve GitHub to just collaborative contributions. Codeberg lets you disable pull requests and other unwanted features that GitHub forces down your throat.
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