Perma.cc – Permanent Link Service
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#2If the world has taught me anything, it's that nothing is permanent, and nothing is perfect. Forums from days of yore are littered with tinybucket 404 pictures and anonymous Imgur images are gone. We like to imagine that the internet will stay the way it is forever, but I dont believe it. Free internet services like email, file uploads, etc. wont last forever. The idea is amazing, and exactly what we need for a constantly changing internet, but the only thing that is forever is nothingness.
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#3Permanent, until they go out of business. We should just standardize on archive.org and figure out a way to distribute redundant copies of its data around in such a way that it can survive even if the original Internet Archive goes down.
I hate to push blockchain stuff, but something like IPFS might actually be a good idea here.
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#4Permanent, until they go out of business. We should just standardize on archive.org and figure out a way to distribute redundant copies of its data around in such a way that it can survive even if the original Internet Archive goes down. I hate to push blockchain stuff, but something like IPFS might actually be a good idea here.
Archive.org has had it's fair share of problems recently as well. I'm still mad Google dropped their own cache and just expected the IA to pick up the slack.
Having said that, there are a variety of different archives that Wikipedia uses for backups - Perma.cc is included on that list. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_web_archiv...
There's also projects like Archive Box that allows for self hosted backups of websites https://archivebox.io/
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#5The About page says "We’re both in the forever business" but doesn't back up the claim with any financial information to even credibly argue that they are in the ten years business.
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#6It's like another website that could break.
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#7Permanent, until they go out of business. We should just standardize on archive.org and figure out a way to distribute redundant copies of its data around in such a way that it can survive even if the original Internet Archive goes down. I hate to push blockchain stuff, but something like IPFS might actually be a good idea here.
It’s run by the Harvard Law Library (i.e. backed by a multibillion-dollar university that is substantially older than the country it’s located in) and operated as a decentralized network across multiple public and private library systems.
Like any service, it might shut down due to lack of interest, but I doubt Harvard Law is at risk of “going out of business”.
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#895% of the work for a useful product like this is figuring out how to ensure it survives your dumb business model or the idiocy of the tech industry, and yet none of the words on this landing page explain what work they've done on that.
did they not understand that at all? did they just not do any work on it? or did they understand it and do great work but just fail to but it in 100pt text as item 0 on the list? who knows.
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#9Prospective users are understandably concerned that perma.cc will go out of business. No institution can guarantee that it will exist in perpetuity. But perma.cc has at least published a contingency plan: https://perma.cc/contingency-plan.
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#1095% of the work for a useful product like this is figuring out how to ensure it survives your dumb business model or the idiocy of the tech industry, and yet none of the words on this landing page explain what work they've done on that. did they not understand that at all? did they just not do any work on it? or did they understand it and do great work but just fail to but it in 100pt text as item 0 on the list? who…
This isn’t a tech product. It’s a decentralized archive organized by Harvard Law School Library.
Being literal librarians, I am fairly sure the creators of this service have thought through how it will remain accessible in the long term.