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Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by pjmlp »

threatofrain wrote: post #74
starspangled wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing in Linux is "here to stay", it always has to demonstrate its worth, and what it's worth is depends enirely on the technology and its developers, not Linus.

Perhaps C is here to stay and that is the way Linux should live and naturally die. That's what's being proposed here by the guy who opposes multi-language projects.

Most UNIX systems that were not implemented in C, and thus lacked the symbiotic relationship, never survived in the market, sadly.

There have been UNIX systems implemented, Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, Modula-3, as the most relevant ones.

All gone.

Also note that POSIX/UNIX certification requires a C compiler presence.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by Ygg2 »

cataphract wrote: post #76
mplewis9z wrote: post #10

Marcan certainly can be abrasive (I mean lol, so can Linus), but all the things he points out in the message below are 100% valid - I highly recommend for anyone here to try to contribute something even very small and logical to the Linux kernel or git (which use similar processes), it’s an eye-opening experience that’s incredibly unapproachable, frustrating, and demoralizing. https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/2…

I'm tired of anaphoras. And he's not just abrasive He's a troublemaker. Seriously, code of conduct violation? It was perfectly clear what Hellwig meant by "cancer".

Even if you put that aside, the problem is you offer Hellwig two solutions and he NACKs them both.

  H: I don't want to support multilanguage codebase
  R: We'll have a maintainer verify R4L is behaving properly.
  H: I solved issues because they were unified.
  R: Rust will be mirror of whatever C is, and you're free to break it, R4L will maintain it.
  H: No.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by threatofrain »

Hamuko wrote: post #65
tptacek wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not Wikipedia, right? Getting the maximum number of contributors isn't a stated goal? I'm a C programmer with a fair bit of kernel experience, and they don't want me, I'm pretty sure, and I'm completely fine with that.

Wikipedia has plenty of gatekeeping too. I once had to submit a single edit three times before the moderators safeguarding the article begrudgingly accepted it.

Different Wikipedia communities have different governance policies. In the math wikis there's generally a rule that small fixes are not allowed. This stops people from arguing whether slightly better explained sentences are the right edits.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by PedroBatista »

threatofrain wrote: post #74
starspangled wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing in Linux is "here to stay", it always has to demonstrate its worth, and what it's worth is depends enirely on the technology and its developers, not Linus.

Perhaps C is here to stay and that is the way Linux should live and naturally die. That's what's being proposed here by the guy who opposes multi-language projects.

That's my overall point of view too. Regardless of infinite technical discussions about one or another, if Alice and Bob can't live together than just don't get married.

Why spend all this energy on conflict and drama to no end? If one language/technology/group is so much better then just fork the thing and follow their own path.

I'm actually not defending the C guys, I just want to leave them alone and let "Nature" take his course, if they die on obsolescence, then they die. who cares..

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by [deleted] »

Philpax wrote: post #79
ChocolateGod wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People using Mastodon to promote pile-ons or brigading? No, never! That's actually one reason I don't use Mastodon, it's extremely common. Isn't this the guy that blocked HackerNews links to the Asahi Linux homepage because the moderators wouldn't do his bidding?

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Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by duxup »

Dansvidania wrote: post #78
ubermonkey wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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so how should it be called, in good faith?

That's almost what I'm asking, knowing what they mean would help that some. It's almost peak irony when I saw people repeatedly tweeting about someone else's "virtue signaling". I honestly don't know what the difference is between whatever they thought the first person was doing vs. their action.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by pjmlp »

markus_zhang wrote: post #81

I have a question. Instead of fighting an uphill war in the Linux kernel community, why don't Rush developers just make a new kernel or fork their own? Sure it's going to take years, but at least they don't have to suffer the mental outrages from time to time and can do whatever they want? I mean I'd do it if that's what I want. P.S I don't have skin and skill for the kernel game. I'm just a curious bystander.

They have,

https://www.redox-os.org/

https://tockos.org/

Also note that many of Rust 4 Linux contributors are Microsoft and Google employees that would like to upstream their changes, they already have plenty Rust on their own Linux derived systems.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by Philpax »

busterarm wrote: post #85
Philpax wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So moving to effectively censor criticism that you can't control is justified? Maybe the problem IS marcan, as Linus suggested. If you do things that are in the public interest, people are going to have opinions about what you do and on a wide spectrum. If you can't handle that, you probably shouldn't be doing work that's so public and visible. Especially something like maintainer work that is inherently social.

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Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Post by ChocolateGod »

Philpax wrote: post #98
busterarm wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So moving to effectively censor criticism that you can't control is justified? Maybe the problem IS marcan, as Linus suggested. If you do things that are in the public interest, people are going to have opinions about what you do and on a wide spectrum. If you can't handle that, you probably shouldn't be doing work that's so public and visible. Especially something like maintainer work that is inherently social.

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Do you have a source for this with proof?

Or is it just cause someone said so.

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