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Copilot stops working on code that contains hardcoded banned words from GitHub (2023)

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Re: Copilot stops working on code that contains hardcoded banned words from GitHub (2023)

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I have a simple question. If censorship is considered evil regarding the written word and communications between humans, why do we want to then censor LLMs differently? It is either counterintuitive or simply a false concept we should abandon. Perhaps it is more about training, similar to how children are 'monsters' and need to be socialized/tamed.

> why do we want to then censor LLMs differently?

Because of the obvious PR implications of having a program one's company wrote spewing controversial takes. That's what it boils down to - and it's entirely reasonable.

Personally, I wish these things could have a configurable censorship setting. Everyone has different things that get under their skin, after all (and this would satisfy both the pro-censor and pro-uncensored groups). It's a good argument for self hosting, too, because those can be filtered to your own sensitivities.

That would help with cases where the censorship is just dead wrong. A friend was working with one of the coding ones in VS Code, and expressed his frustration that as soon as the codebase included the standard acronym for "Highest Occupied Molecular Orbital" (HOMO) it just refused any further completion. We both guessed the censor was catching it as a false positive for the slur.

Re: Copilot stops working on code that contains hardcoded banned words from GitHub (2023)

#43

On a slightly related note, does anyone feel copilot is not as powerful as it used to be? It's kind of hard to pinpoint exactly what it is, but it feels like it often either does nothing, or generates the bare minimum. I think one concrete thing is writing a comment about a function, then expecting that function below the comment, but instead you get more comments.

You're just disillusioned, AI was never that good

Re: Copilot stops working on code that contains hardcoded banned words from GitHub (2023)

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems the trend with most LLM tech is once the users are there the model is quantized or downgraded down to the bare minimum level of usefulness either silently or through new versions that are just not better in real use.

See also: search engines, streaming platforms, etc...

Capitalism <3

Re: Copilot stops working on code that contains hardcoded banned words from GitHub (2023)

#45
post #17

I have a simple question. If censorship is considered evil regarding the written word and communications between humans, why do we want to then censor LLMs differently? It is either counterintuitive or simply a false concept we should abandon. Perhaps it is more about training, similar to how children are 'monsters' and need to be socialized/tamed.

> why do we want to then censor LLMs differently? Because of the obvious PR implications of having a program one's company wrote spewing controversial takes. That's what it boils down to - and it's entirely reasonable. Personally, I wish these things could have a configurable censorship setting. Everyone has different things that get under their skin, after all (and this would satisfy both the pro-censor and pro-unce…

It wouldn't satisfy both groups, the people who want the censorship want it censored for everyone

Re: Copilot stops working on code that contains hardcoded banned words from GitHub (2023)

#46
post #17

I have a simple question. If censorship is considered evil regarding the written word and communications between humans, why do we want to then censor LLMs differently? It is either counterintuitive or simply a false concept we should abandon. Perhaps it is more about training, similar to how children are 'monsters' and need to be socialized/tamed.

Because the people in charge are morons and the public is full of morons and the morons in charge are scared that the morons of the public will get mad and make a big deal about some inconsequential bullshit like "your llm said a naughty word!!"

And that's why we can't have nice things.

Re: Copilot stops working on code that contains hardcoded banned words from GitHub (2023)

#47
post #40

On a slightly related note, does anyone feel copilot is not as powerful as it used to be? It's kind of hard to pinpoint exactly what it is, but it feels like it often either does nothing, or generates the bare minimum. I think one concrete thing is writing a comment about a function, then expecting that function below the comment, but instead you get more comments.

I've only tried copilot once and this is exactly my experience. I'd write a comment to try to prompt it, then it would keep writing the comment instead of the function. Best I could do was make it write the function as a comment then uncomment it. I prefer to just write code myself

You can also take care of this by ending the comment and writing the function or class keyword for your language, like “def”.

Re: Copilot stops working on code that contains hardcoded banned words from GitHub (2023)

#48
post #17

I have a simple question. If censorship is considered evil regarding the written word and communications between humans, why do we want to then censor LLMs differently? It is either counterintuitive or simply a false concept we should abandon. Perhaps it is more about training, similar to how children are 'monsters' and need to be socialized/tamed.

> If censorship is considered evil regarding the written word and communications between humans

It's not. Most people do support censorship. They just don't admit that.

Re: Copilot stops working on code that contains hardcoded banned words from GitHub (2023)

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post #39
post #17

I have a simple question. If censorship is considered evil regarding the written word and communications between humans, why do we want to then censor LLMs differently? It is either counterintuitive or simply a false concept we should abandon. Perhaps it is more about training, similar to how children are 'monsters' and need to be socialized/tamed.

They're not being censored by the state in this case (unlike the gotcha everyone keeps using when deepseek is mentioned). They're being limited by their developers for brand safety. There's still career-ending possibilities from saying things even in the overtly antiwoke government: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... ; people are not going to trust an LLM which might say such things on th…

That's easy. The person who used an LLM to generate the text and then published it as their own without even proofreading it is liable for the text they published.

Re: Copilot stops working on code that contains hardcoded banned words from GitHub (2023)

#50

On a slightly related note, does anyone feel copilot is not as powerful as it used to be? It's kind of hard to pinpoint exactly what it is, but it feels like it often either does nothing, or generates the bare minimum. I think one concrete thing is writing a comment about a function, then expecting that function below the comment, but instead you get more comments.

I haven’t literally never gotten my copilot integration in visual studio to provide anything usable. I don’t mean this hyperbolically. I literally don’t understand what we are paying for.
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