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Pretty confident most of us haven't pirated 82tb of media in order to train an AI but maybe I'm naive?
I'm doing exactly that over the weekend with a RPi that I found in the junk drawer.
Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data
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#122Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…
It's roughly the Spotify story too. They had an extremely impressive catalog very early, way before they were bought by the entertainment cartel. The founders had background in torrenting and the initial product was quite similar to The Pirate Bay but with clearly capitalist ambitions and branding, in contrast to the anarchist leanings of the Pirate Bureau and rather anarchic attitude of The Pirate Bay.
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#123Libgen is a civilizational project that should be endorsed, not prosecuted. I hope one day people will look at it and think how stupid we were today to shun the largest collection of literary works in human history.
I think you’re overstating its importance. The internet already makes it possible to order almost any book in existence and have it arrive at your doorstep within a week or so, or often on your ebook reader instantly. And your local library probably participates in an interlibrary loan system that lets you request any book held by any library in the country for free.
LibGen gives you access to a much smaller body of works than either of those. It’s a little more convenient. But the big difference is that it doesn’t compensate the author at all.
Just go to a real library.
Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data
#124Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…
> Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. I don't understand why you wouldn't just buy copies of the books. Seems like such a relatively inexpensive way to strengthen your legal case.
Too much paperwork, too much effort. These are important people, doing much more important stuff than whatever book authors do.
Or so they think, I think.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wrong. Google ignores robots.txt entirely
I wasn't aware. Can you please update Wikipedia then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots.txt Maybe also get Google to update their docs: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/...
their own docs also specify that the robots.txt does not stop indexing or showing up in search, they even bolded it "it is not a mechanism for keeping a web page out of Google"
https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/...
Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
the english empire once tried to mantain a monopoly over steam loom machines the americans cheated their way to competition, heck, even before that, the english empire got jumpstarted by stealing gold from the spanish (who were themselves exploiting it away from aztec and other mexican natives) I'm saying it's business as usual, but also, culture doesn't work like tangible physical widgets so we must stop letting a f…
People criming in the past is not an excuse for companies committing crimes today. You’re excusing lawlessness. Cain killed Abel and got away with it!! I can kill someone today too!!!
Cain was severely punished.
וְעַתָּ֖ה אָר֣וּר אָ֑תָּה מִן־הָֽאֲדָמָה֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר פָּצְתָ֣ה אֶת־פִּ֔יהָ לָקַ֛חַת אֶת־דְּמֵ֥י אָחִ֖יךָ מִיָּדֶֽךָ׃ Therefore, you shall be more cursed than the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
The existing laws are a problem, and are not enforced in a fair and just manner. Yes, the legal system is for humans, but we can use technology to improve the system for humans, so it's faster, better and more fair, because humans aren't perfect, and now we have technology to be better than the system create a long time ago. You don't think the legal system should run on pens and paper right? Adapting to typewriters,…
Aren't all LLMs based on models published by the big two or three, so built on IP theft and if you're using them you are guilty of handling stolen goods?
that's the point.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it’s the other way around. Those large entities break all the same laws and rules as others and then get to the point where they can influence the creation of a regulatory moat around themselves to prevent competitors from taking the same path as them.
True but lets take examples one by one to see what we can learn : Spotify was doing illegal things until they made a deal to become legal and not to be trialed over what they done. Seems like business deals is what saved them, not regulatory capture (the regulations around IP for music pre existed Spotify)
Sure that is what saved them initially, but following that early 2010’s period of hemorrhaging money and eventual recovery, then they started digging that moat.
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/spotify-washington-lo...
https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/clients/issues?...
Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data
#129Great, can we get the full Kim Dotcom treatment for Zuckenberg now?
I'm also ok with abolishing copyright all together if he's too untouchable
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#130My ISP will shut off my internet if it catches me torrenting copyrighted material but if you're a massive corporation that steals TBs of data its barely a blip in the news.