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U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by card_zero »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #11
hunglee2 wrote: post #2

US tech needs to obey the laws of the country in which it operates. I am sure the demands of UK government are more than reasonable - and, as it is a democracy - as full endorsement of the people / users

It doesn't. Apple could play hardball and threaten to withdraw from the UK market, with a propaganda notification like TikTok did. They could also appeal to Trump/Elon for help. Also the wider part of this order is that Apple would access to the international users data, including US customers, if I understand the article correctly.

They're currently antagonizing Trumpelon by refusing to halt DEI stuff, so they might not get any help.

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Post by _Algernon_ »

newscracker wrote: post #19

Archive link: https://archive.is/3Pp0U I was wondering whether this is about Advanced Data Protection, which encrypts almost all data end-to-end on iCloud. It’s only later in this report that it gets into this key detail: > At issue is cloud storage that only the user, not Apple, can unlock. Apple started rolling out the option, which it calls Advanced Data Protection, in 2022. Before stating this, the article says:…

If they had some balls, they would just stop offering icloud altogether in the UK until they have appealed. Let's see how the judge feels when half the country can't access their files anymore and Apple points to this decision as the reason.

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Post by aaronmdjones »

sigwinch28 wrote: post #16
hunglee2 wrote: post #2

US tech needs to obey the laws of the country in which it operates. I am sure the demands of UK government are more than reasonable - and, as it is a democracy - as full endorsement of the people / users

I’m from the U.K. and I consider the government’s actions around digital privacy to be somewhere between incompetent and malicious.

Same here.

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Post by Nasrudith »

rich_sasha wrote: post #14
kazinator wrote: post #8

The bad guys know where to find solid open source crypto for their cloud backups and whatnot. Therefore you know this is not about chasing the bad guys. It's about keeping the Average Joe under the thumb.

I don't know to what extent this is true. A lot of criminals strike me as good at chopping off fingers etc but not computer stuff. There absolutely is a balance between Average Joe's right to privacy and privacy restrictions for fighting crime. Without undermining the former, I'm astounded how HN discounts the latter 100%. It is real.

Because the latter are fucking pathological liars who maintain a rachet stealing away rights. They earned their reflexsive distrust.

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Post by eterm »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #22
newscracker wrote: post #19

Archive link: https://archive.is/3Pp0U I was wondering whether this is about Advanced Data Protection, which encrypts almost all data end-to-end on iCloud. It’s only later in this report that it gets into this key detail: > At issue is cloud storage that only the user, not Apple, can unlock. Apple started rolling out the option, which it calls Advanced Data Protection, in 2022. Before stating this, the article says:…

If they had some balls, they would just stop offering icloud altogether in the UK until they have appealed. Let's see how the judge feels when half the country can't access their files anymore and Apple points to this decision as the reason.

Apple doesn't have the same dominance in the UK than it does in the US, so the UK would probably just tough that one out.

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Post by CSSer »

eterm wrote: post #26
_Algernon_ wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they had some balls, they would just stop offering icloud altogether in the UK until they have appealed. Let's see how the judge feels when half the country can't access their files anymore and Apple points to this decision as the reason.

Apple doesn't have the same dominance in the UK than it does in the US, so the UK would probably just tough that one out.

Then it sounds like they don’t have much to lose ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Post by MortyWaves »

eterm wrote: post #26
_Algernon_ wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they had some balls, they would just stop offering icloud altogether in the UK until they have appealed. Let's see how the judge feels when half the country can't access their files anymore and Apple points to this decision as the reason.

Apple doesn't have the same dominance in the UK than it does in the US, so the UK would probably just tough that one out.

I have zero clue where you’re getting this from. iPhone is incredibly popular and every politician has one.

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Post by marliechiller »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #15
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is green bubble iMessage or SMS? iMessage is barely used in the UK, WhatsApp is the default messaging platform here

I'm in the UK pretty much only use iMessage/Snapchat. I had a look at the stats though and you're probably correct about WhatsApp being default, although we do have a surprisingly diverse and competitive messenger market: https://www.statista.com/forecasts/997945/most-used-messenge...

Id be very interested to break that data down by age. I'd hypothesise people who grew up during the dawn of social media (late 00s, early 2010s), will be strongly aligned with whatsapp whereas younger generations might be more iMessage/snapchat whatever else is out there these days. The most interesting generation would be gen X'ers. I guess theyll be a jumble of all solutions, including SMS
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