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Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by pkaye »

belval wrote: post #26
raverbashing wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly naming conventions in the AI world have been appalling regardless of the company

Google isn't even the worst in my opinion. From the top of my head Anthropic: Claude 1 Claude Instant 1 Claude 2 Claude Haiku 3 Claude Sonnet 3 Claude Opus 3 Claude Haiku 3.5 Claude Sonnet 3.5 Claude Sonnet 3.5v2 OpenAI: GPT-3.5 GPT-4 GPT-4o-2024-08-06 GPT-4o GPT-4o-mini o1 o3-mini o1-mini Fun times when you try to setup throughput provisioning.

> GPT-4o-2024-08-06 GPT-4o

From what I understand GPT-4o will map to the most recent generated model so it will change over time. The models with the date appended will not change over time.

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Post by FleetAdmiralJa »

nitwit005 wrote: post #269
mohsen1 wrote: post #8

> available via the Gemini API in Google AI Studio and Vertex AI. > Gemini 2.0, 2.0 Pro and 2.0 Pro Experimental, Gemini 2.0 Flash, Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite 3 different ways of accessing the API, more than 5 different but extremely similarly named models. Benchmarks only comparing to their own models. Can't be more "Googley"!

Clearly, the next step is to rename one to "Google Chat".

And kill it the 10th time

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Post by akimbostrawman »

op00to wrote: post #253
akimbostrawman wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is online but not human. If a hammer refuses to hammer certain things it is faulty and should be fixed or replaced.

A hammer that refuses to hammer my thumb when I intend for it to only hammer nails would be amazing.

But that should be optionally since whatever system you would use to do that can make mistakes too

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Post by viraptor »

MrScruff wrote: post #255
viraptor wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called being an understanding human. Unless you limit the topics to the weather and definitely not in the changing climate style, you will talk about real life quite often. And someone's real life may be a school dropoff one day and a grenade landing on their brother digging trenches in Ukraine the day after. If you hard nope out of tougher subjects, they're unlikely to talk much to you afterwards.

If you're unable to focus at work because of some personal trauma, then the best thing to do at most companies is talk to your line manager about it to explain the situation. That's entirely reasonable and I would think that most people will respond empathetically in that situation. I don't think that's typically what is meant when discussing 'leaving politics out of work' though.

Not sure where you got the "unable to focus at work" part from. It's not about anything affecting work, just normal conversation.

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Post by thatguy0900 »

63 wrote: post #179
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing wrong with (and in fact much to be said in favor of) a "no politics" rule. When I was growing up it was common advice to not discuss politics/religion in mixed company. At one point I thought that was stupid fuddy-duddy advice, because people are adults and can act reasonably even if they disagree. But as I get older, I realize that I was wrong: people really, really can't control their emotions when…

It's challenging because one person's "politics" is another person's "my extended family is being actively slaughtered in the middle east, how can I think or talk about anything else." Is the person wrong for that? The line for what is and isn't politics is incredibly blurry and is almost always drawn on the side of whoever already has the most privilege

You could also argue that politics can't be discussed civally in normal conversations because there is a rule not to do it and Noone has the experience. If we all grew up in a environment where people civally discussed politics we might be able to do it. It really wasn't that long ago when mitt Romney defended Obama on stage as a good, honest family man, as impossible to imagine as that is today

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Post by radicality »

singhrac wrote: post #31

What is the model I get at gemini.google.com (i.e. through my Workspace subscription)? It says "Gemini Advanced" but there are no other details. No model selection option. I find the lack of clarity very frustrating. If I want to try Google's "best" model, should I be purchasing something? AI Studio seems focused around building an LLM wrapper app, but I just want something to answer my questions. Edit: what I've lea…

Google workspace is always such a mess. I also have Google workspace, and it did let me do some chatting in the Gemini app few days ago. No idea what model, and of course there was no dropdown.

Just today I wanted to continue a conversation from two days ago, and after writing to the chat, I just get back an error “This chat was created with Gemini Advanced. Get it now to continue this chat.” And I don’t even know if that’s a bug, or some expected sales funnel where they gave me a nibble of it for free and now want me to pay up.

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Post by mring33621 »

ssijak wrote: post #148
mohsen1 wrote: post #8

> available via the Gemini API in Google AI Studio and Vertex AI. > Gemini 2.0, 2.0 Pro and 2.0 Pro Experimental, Gemini 2.0 Flash, Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite 3 different ways of accessing the API, more than 5 different but extremely similarly named models. Benchmarks only comparing to their own models. Can't be more "Googley"!

Working with google APIs is often an exercise in frustration. I like their base cloud offering the best actually, but their additional APIs can be all over the place. These AI related are the worst.

heuristic for Google Gemini API usage:

if the model name contains '-exp' or '-preview', then API version is 'v1alpha'

otherwise, use 'v1beta'

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Post by okdood64 »

leonidasv wrote: post #70

That 1M tokens context window alone is going to kill a lot of RAG use cases. Crazy to see how we went from 4K tokens context windows (2023 ChatGPT-3.5) to 1M in less than 2 years.

> is going to kill a lot of RAG use cases.

I have a high level understanding of LLMs and am a generalist software engineer.

Can you elaborate on how exactly these insanely large (and now cheap) context windows will kill a lot of RAG use cases?

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Post by jiggawatts »

okdood64 wrote: post #278
leonidasv wrote: post #70

That 1M tokens context window alone is going to kill a lot of RAG use cases. Crazy to see how we went from 4K tokens context windows (2023 ChatGPT-3.5) to 1M in less than 2 years.

> is going to kill a lot of RAG use cases. I have a high level understanding of LLMs and am a generalist software engineer. Can you elaborate on how exactly these insanely large (and now cheap) context windows will kill a lot of RAG use cases?

If a model has 4K input context and you have a document or code base with 40K, then you have to split it up. The system prompt, user prompt, and output token budget all eat into this. You might need hundreds of small pieces, which typically end up in a vector database for RAG retrieval.

With a million tokens you can shove several short books into the prompt and just skip all that. That’s an entire small-ish codebase.

A colleague used a HTML dump of every config and config policy from a Windows network, pasted it into Gemini and started asking questions. It’s just that easy now!

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Post by Alifatisk »

Alifatisk wrote: post #71

Exciting news to see these models being released to the Gemini app, I would wish my preferences on which model I want to default to got saved for further sessions. How many tokens can gemini.google.com handle as input? How large is the context window before it forgets? A quick search said it's 128k token window but that applies to Gemini 1.5 Pro, how is it now then? My assumption is that "Gemini 2.0 Flash Thinking Ex…

Update, I found that AiStudios changelog gives an explanation of where each model is best fit.

  Gemini 2.0 Flash is just Googles production ready model

  Gemini 2.0 Flash-Lite Preview is their smallest model for high volume tasks

  Gemini 2.0 Pro Experimental is the strongest Gemini model

  Gemini 2.0 Flash Thinking Experimental (gemini-2.0-flash-thinking-exp-1219 explicitly shows its thoughts
https://aistudio.google.com/app/changelog#february-5th-2025

https://aistudio.google.com/app/changelog#december-19-2024

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