More discussion 5 days ago (77 points, 73 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42901553
California bill would require bots to disclose that they are bots
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#52Who wants to bet this ends up in prop-65-like list of disclaimers about алл тхе automation tools used for every message, which will make the messages bigger but won't make them any less frequent?
I mean prop-65 does make the "messages" less frequent. You have to dispose of certain items listed in the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986 different than other items. As-in companies can't just discharge cancerous substances down the drain anymore so you're going to want safer substances as an input if you can't avoid discharging it.
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#53A decade ago, when chat bots were a lot less useful, a common piece of etiquette was that it's fine for a bot to pretend to be a human or God or whatever, but if you directly ask it if it's a bot it has to confirm that. Basically of the bot version of that myth about undercover cops. I don't see a downside in requiring public-facing bots to do that Not sure if that's what the proposal is about though, it's currently…
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#55what if they don't know they are bots like in this short film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VrLQXR7mKU or any blade runner..
i wonder if someone has rlhf’d an llm into thinking it is human
I remember reading a short story once, I forget its name.
The narrator wakes up in what they believe to be a coma but later learns to be an AI. It had to be given memories and (maybe?) a body in order for it to not go crazy upon activation.
It was set up better than I describe but I think back to it often.
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#56A decade ago, when chat bots were a lot less useful, a common piece of etiquette was that it's fine for a bot to pretend to be a human or God or whatever, but if you directly ask it if it's a bot it has to confirm that. Basically of the bot version of that myth about undercover cops. I don't see a downside in requiring public-facing bots to do that Not sure if that's what the proposal is about though, it's currently…
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I think this is a just law for any bot that interacts with humans. It doesn't make sense for a person to treat a bot as another human.
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#57Alternate proposal: For every meme, we are by law able to see who created that meme. If all the knuckle-heads who fall for every meme could see, e.g., that it was created by a Russian or Chinese propaganda organization, I think they would soon learn to be more skeptical.
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#58I get this eerie feeling she has no idea what a bot even is in a technical sense and most likely is being puppeteered by weasels like State Senator Scott Wiener having introduced gems like the AI Models Act [1][2][3]. If the bill passes wouldn't then she have to be the first to disclose she's a bot?
[1] https://www.answer.ai/posts/2024-04-29-sb1047.html (SB-1047 will stifle open-source AI and decrease safety)
[2] https://safesecureai.org/responseletter (Response to inaccurate, inflammatory statements by Y Combinator & a16z regarding Senate Bill 1047)
[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41690302 (Gavin Newsom vetoes SB 1047)
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#59This is a cool website, would love to see more like it in other states.
Had to hard refresh 3 or 4 times to get it to load.
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#60hopefully applies to crawlers too