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The other day, I read a comment on the Wired post stating: "Really, all this article says is that if you are an auditor for the commission appointed by the president, we will make sure that this comes up in an aggressively negative way when somebody who you want to work for googles you. It's pure intimidation, masquerading as journalism." Well, it seems these young men were chosen for qualities that should make them…

I think that unfortunately what's been proven with recent developments is that in some way racism is very American.

When I immigrated to the US, large city in the Northwest, I was still a kid of 7.

My understanding of troubles between people were that they were the historical norm. My country of birth, and all surrounding countries, have long interesting histories. Real ruins to match! Full of everyone and group vying for dominance with lots of periodic organized killing, at various scales, instigated by cultural waves and royal decree.

Every kind of group conflict over time. No reason to fixate and stew on any one. Certainly not any that “defined” the country. Just lots of mistakes.

No false pristine origin myth to wrap oneself up into! Dear Zeus no! What an odd idea!!

And the trend over hundreds of years clearly was one of steady improvement. Minus short term catastrophes.

So no need to continually revisit any particular mistake, or waste time downplaying one either.

When I arrived in the US, we didn’t have TV at my house. And we never did. So my sheltered historical interests continued to be global.

It’s quite remarkable how free my life was from any impact of US racism. I had heard of Martin Luther King. His memory was universally revered by my American family and wider circle. “Obviously” that little episode of slavery, contrasting with the thousands of years of interminable atrocities that were my context for judging such things, was well on its way out.

We had diverse neighbors, and everyone interacted. Lots of interesting adults taught me new things. I don’t remember anyone as being this or that, they were all just very different people, different looks, backgrounds, ideas. To me that is zen. Fun.

Somehow it took me quite a while to find out there were significant US people who were still quite racist. At age 10, I was confused by a conversation, and a friend told me there were still Americans with bad feelings about black people.

I tried to imagine what someone like that could be like? What would they look like? Why, most of all, why?!? No coherent form came to mind.

In the next few years I caught up on US history, or as we say everywhere else on the planet “current events”.

It was appalling to me that there were still small groups of white supremacists, operating mostly in the dark, That there were still people with quiet prejudices. But “obviously” those things were dying.

Today is absolutely unrecognizable. The level of self-reinforcing garbage just bewilders me.

Everything is argued from the most unworkable extreme. No DEI! (So no consideration for real talent in less easy to find places, or who might need a practical accommodation?) To DEI must be enforced, please sign on to our committees un-nuanced statement of diversity? (So no differences on quotas or approaches are ok?)

And the rest of us, including the diverse in question, left to muddle through all these moving barriers and the hate and depression they feed.

Total madness.

I feel like the US is in a tiny time pressure bottle, and a cultural pressure bottle too, isolated from healthy border contact with neighbors of comparable power. Cut off from most human history.

And the result is utter myopia.

Everyone (who talks loudly) thrashing around reacting to threats real, imagined and manufactured from paranoia or opportunism. In the process, making themselves credible threats to others.

I just feel lucky between my childhood elsewhere, lack of media, and early exposure to wider historical & geographic perspectives, that for a long time I was protected from the poison of US racism. I can tell you, it was a happier place to be.

I got to meet and know my adopted black cousin, along with other diverse people who were part of my amazing new large US family, without any thought of racism. For years.

I remember in my 30’s when I realized Prince was black! It was so ridiculous to just notice that I had to laugh. And then a whole bunch of other artists. Of course some artists struck me immediately as black for whatever reason. But I just didn’t think to classify people that way, for the longest time.

Re: DOGE staffer resigns over racist posts

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“Elez promised that Indian workers in the U.S. on H1Bs visas are “going back don’t worry guys.”

Are these guys in some alt-universe where Musk and Theil are advocating against more H1Bs?

Or maybe they’re were fine with eugenics and racism but weren’t aware of his H1B smacks?

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That these concerns are being dismissed as partisan shows how far through the looking glass we truly are. Either _the party of law and order_ doesn't understand how risky this activity is, doesn't care or both -- any of which are _extremely_ troubling. We should also all be sure to keep this in mind next time they're crying crocodile tears about TikTok or DeepSeek. I just emailed my representative (Mike Lawler) and I…

> Either _the party of law and order_ doesn't understand how risky this activity is, doesn't care or both If they hadn't already obviously ceded that title before 2025, they certainly did when over a thousand duly convicted violent partisan offenders were pardoned. These weren't just random people, they were accomplices of the person who pardoned them. We're in an autocratic United States now, where no crime, no matt…

a president cannot pardon or commute state crimes. most states have crimes against violence

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My take is that we actually need more efficiency in government, and from a technology standpoint, they might have some good ideas. I have a very pro-technology worldview. I'm independent leaning left but I thought that Democrats have been extreme, wasteful and untrustworthy in their own ways. It's very unfortunate that this stuff like efficiency and technology integration is now associated so closely with neo-Nazis.…

DOGE is just a dipshit rebrand of the US Digital Service, which was created under the Obama administration, and did bring real improvements and efficiency to the Federal Government. They're behind the IRS free to file program that I heard was just killed off. They also did login.gov. There is a huge number of lower profile improvements across the government that they're responsible for. DOGE is a farce and I hate tha…

DOGE (as in the sh**coin) is price manipulation. Elon may own a third of all DOGE in existence. So he pumped it when he appeared on SNL, pumped it on Twitter, and now pumps it via his reach as a newly minted oligarch.

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The Musk+Trump duopoly seems insurmountable. Trump has an a cult like hold on the Republican Party and Musk has enough money + Twitter to control the narrative/scare politicians in line to convince enough independents to keep them in power. Our only hope is that the Cheeseburgers and high cholesterol gets the best of Trump. And that Democrats grow a spine.

This isn't Musk+Trump, it's Musk+Thiel+Yarvin+Heritage+Vance, with Trump as a hood ornament. His job is simply to sign whatever they put in front of him and play golf. Cholesterol getting the best of Trump isn't going to derail this, since Vance is more than happy to continue the amassing of unchecked executive power. "You won't have to vote again."

The difference is that it is never about policy with MAGA voters. It’s about Trump.

You see how quickly MAGA voters went from “America first. No foreign entanglements” to “let’s send troops to the Middle East to clear out Gaza” as soon as Trump said we should do so?

Anytime that Trump hasn’t been on the ballot since 2018, Trump voters stayed home.

Presidents have always been about personality and not policy. Biden and Bush I being the exception in my lifetime - or at least since Reagan.

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I wonder why he resigned. Half the administration seems to have ties to white supremacy, if not ouright neo-nazism.

Before they got into power

- "They're not that bad, they're just trolling people; they would never say racist things at me... They'll stop once they get into power."

After getting into power:

- "Oh... If only someone had warned me about this!"

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Wonder how Elon is getting the clearance for this , dude smoked weed on camera , isn’t that automatically disqualifying for gov clearance ?

He doesn't have clearance. They march into the offices, demand access, whoever is there says "no", then that person gets fired (placed "on leave") ten minutes later. Rinse and repeat.

Musk has, and has had, top secret security clearance for years, due to his SpaceX work launching spy satellites for the US government.

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If you're having a team going into every bit of government data, you might want to vet them. Beyond eugenicists and racists, if they're getting anywhere close to SCIFs, make sure they fill out that SF-86 accurately. And maybe even if they're not, have them go through regular clearance procedures. Yes, it takes time. But right now, DOGE seems like a huge security risk for the USG what with it setting up backdoors ever…

My take is that we actually need more efficiency in government, and from a technology standpoint, they might have some good ideas. I have a very pro-technology worldview. I'm independent leaning left but I thought that Democrats have been extreme, wasteful and untrustworthy in their own ways. It's very unfortunate that this stuff like efficiency and technology integration is now associated so closely with neo-Nazis.…

> dehumanisation of Chinese people

What?

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It doesn’t matter if you write or call your representative. He knows that if he goes against President Musk, Musk will throw his unlimited funds at someone so he gets primaried and even before that Musk will use his bully pulpit - Twitter - to berate him. He is in a D+3 district that usually votes Democratic. That would usually moderate him. But see above about he would have to first survive a primary.

Threats of violence is what drives all those inexplicable last minute vote changes in congress, simple as that.

And why the senate didn't convict trump in the second impeachment about the insurrection he fomented. There is reporting of Mitt Romney that several republican senators indicated they didn't vote to convict because they were afraid what his minions would do to them and their families. They also mentioned they didn't have the funds to pay for private security the way that Romney had been doing for some time.

There's a word for achieving political ends via violence or the threat of violence. We should've been using that word heavily then, and we should be using it heavily now.

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He doesn't have clearance. They march into the offices, demand access, whoever is there says "no", then that person gets fired (placed "on leave") ten minutes later. Rinse and repeat.

Musk has, and has had, top secret security clearance for years, due to his SpaceX work launching spy satellites for the US government.

The president has top secret clearance and doesn't have access to personal tax returns. I don't believe there is a blanket "all things included" security clearance.
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