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Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

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Post by throw83288 »

suyash wrote: post #169
throw83288 wrote: post #94

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> Effectively they have completely automated SWE job, pair programmer was just a marketing speak, real intention is clear. Frankly, this was obvious to me since the Copilot Workspace announcement. It's so hard not for me to not slide completely into nihilistic despair as a student right now. I chose wrong, and now there is nothing I can do. Day in and day out I'm talking about my projects and internships as if my ent…

Never loose hope, I'm assuming you are young if you're a student right now. Time is on your side, no matter where the industry goes, just flow with it, try to learn the new technologies so you're never behind others who are competing for same positions.

I want to learn, but I can't display that I learned them. You know the whole thing where real projects are more valuable than simply "I did a tutorial"? I struggle to find ways to apply LLMs practically beyond like one project (which is basically someone else's anyway). That's my struggle.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

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Post by azan_ »

mywittyname wrote: post #106
throw83288 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Effectively they have completely automated SWE job, pair programmer was just a marketing speak, real intention is clear. Frankly, this was obvious to me since the Copilot Workspace announcement. It's so hard not for me to not slide completely into nihilistic despair as a student right now. I chose wrong, and now there is nothing I can do. Day in and day out I'm talking about my projects and internships as if my ent…

I've been in the industry long enough to have been around for a few crashes. My outlook is: this industry has always faced threats that looked like it was going to spell the end of our careers, but we always come out the other side better than ever. I don't think LLMs are fundamentally more threatening than off shore developers were. Sure, we lost jobs during that time, but businesses realized eventually that the pro…

> My outlook is: this industry has always faced threats that looked like it was going to spell the end of our careers, but we always come out the other side better than ever.

I don't think there ever was as big treat to intellectual jobs. If LLMs ever get really good at programming (at the level of senior) there is 0 reason to keep majority of programmers employed. In addition it's not likely that it would be like other historical events of replacing workers with technology, because it most likely won't create new jobs (well, at least not for humans). So if LLMs won't run out of fuel before reaching that level I'm afraid we are fucked.

> I won't rule out the possibility of LLMs that are so good that they can replicate just about any app in existence in minutes. But there's still value in having workers manage infrastructure, data, etc.

Why would AI advanced enough to spin entire app from scratch have problems with managing infrastructure and data?

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

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Post by alach11 »

RobinL wrote: post #4

Can anyone speak to weather it's worth going back to co-pilot from cursor. On the face of it $10 a month for unlimited messages looks compelling. Is it really unlimited? From these videos it's starting to look pretty similar to cursor...

I've been switching back and forth a bit at work recently, and I find Cursor still has a slight edge.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

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Post by azan_ »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #119
throw83288 wrote: post #82

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Until reasoner AI 10x's research and solves it far ahead of schedule. You don't even need robotics, just a good multi-modal reasoner model with domain knowledge that you can attach to a headset manna-style [0]. The only thing that makes blue collar work different from any minimum wage labor is the System 2 reasoning required, and that'll get solved. [0] https://marshallbrain.com/manna1

It sounds like you've never used a welding torch, installed a kitchen sink, or done similar blue collar work. These jobs will never be replaced by robots, or by a non-trained person wearing a headset.

> It sounds like you've never used a welding torch, installed a kitchen sink, or done similar blue collar work. These jobs will never be replaced by robots, or by a non-trained person wearing a headset.

Why do you think they will never be replaced by robots?

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

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Post by michaelteter »

hidingOnBush wrote: post #25
lolinder wrote: post #3

They'd better get on the IntelliJ integration fast— if I'm going to switch editors in order to use an LLM coding assistant, I may as well just switch to Cursor, which has a strong head start on them on the assistant and also has a much better autocomplete. I'm honestly surprised to see no mention here of them moving to replicate Cursor's autocomplete—IMO that is where Cursor's real edge lies. Anyone can wrap a chatbo…

People are sleeping on codeium. I've found their AI assistant to be much better than cursor

Assuming windsurf.org is the correct website, I don't get a sense that it is legit or ready for prime time.

The FAQ link goes nowhere (afaik there is no FAQ), the page language selector is buggy - it randomly shows me other languages and is stubborn to accept when I switch back to English. Also, my first attempt to reach the main page was a 502 error.

Also, I don't see anywhere that tells me who makes this editor.

I'm supposed to trust some unknown group of people and install their software?

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

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Post by ddingus »

throw83288 wrote: post #101
nickstinemates wrote: post #100

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If you want to thrive in this world you need to change your attitude ASAP. New tech waves happen all of the time. Embracing them is the path.

How? Seems obvious that I missed the boat on LLMs. I don't have any ideas anyway (I have only one "idea", and it's someone elses and I have no faith that it'll get me a foothold). Robotics will be solved pretty soon by 10x reasoners if this development curve continues. Everything I can "change to" has a 2 year delta and that is a 100x capability change within the AI space right now.

IMHO what you should be doing is building stuff to show off.

More great ideas will flow out of that activity.

As for missed the boat, how do you mean? We remain in early days!

Finally, try to avoid making your own reality. You write as if you know the future, and none of us do!

And even when we are right, how we respond to that future really matters!

You could sulk in gloom

, or!

You could be building things and or showing them off.

It is that showing off that nets good new opportunities.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

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Post by TiredOfLife »

lolinder wrote: post #28
hidingOnBush wrote: post #25

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People are sleeping on codeium. I've found their AI assistant to be much better than cursor

How's their autocomplete? I'm honestly not interested in tighter integration of chatbots. What blew me away about Cursor was how much better it was at autocomplete. I honestly probably would have tried it sooner if people emphasized that strongly enough in online dialogs, but it weirdly always seems to get relegated to an afterthought compared to the flashy chatbot, which was... fine, I guess?

The free Codeium autocomplete was what I was using for the past year and it was really good. And Windsurf added Supercomplete (basically Cursors tab tab compete), but only in paid version.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

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Post by brianmcc »

rybosworld wrote: post #141
brianmcc wrote: post #113

Not my quote but: "The trillion dollar problem AI is trying to solve is wages. Your wages." Not wanting to come across all Luddite about it, but we really ought not to stumble blindly into all this. That said, I remain sceptical. The 10% of my job which is coding just isn't the difficult part.

> The 10% of my job which is coding just isn't the difficult part. Even so, is there any reason to believe that the other 90% won't also be automated? As you said, the goal of these systems is to replace wages.

I'd describe a lot of my job and my team's job as "figuring out what to do". Lots of talking to people, debating options, weighing up trade-offs.

Customer support, "pre sales" stuff too.

Distilling complex situations involving tech but also people into bullet-point reports for management.

To reference another one of these neat little phrases: building the right system != building the system right. The former is hard to automate, the latter is indeed more open to AI involvement.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

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Post by myth_drannon »

baq wrote: post #130
JohnnyMarcone wrote: post #52

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Care to share how you are preparing?

Save as much money as possible and start tinkering with hardware is my approach. Not sure if the right move isn’t tinkering with water and sewage pipes at this point…

Every second programmer is considering moving to trades.
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