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They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by CalRobert »

dbspin wrote: post #418
rsynnott wrote: post #398

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So, to confuse the issue, the country is officially called Ireland (it's in the constitution!), and that is the name normally used in Ireland and in Europe. The UK government officially referred to Ireland as the Republic of Ireland until 1998 (it now calls it Ireland) and as a result people in the UK often call it the Republic of Ireland. People calling it the Irish Republic usually have an agenda in doing so, yeah.…

Right you are. Also, if you're Rob Synnott I'm pretty sure I remember you from back in the early blogging / podcast days. Hope you're well.

What podcast is this?

Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by CalRobert »

rsynnott wrote: post #398
dbspin wrote: post #331

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Not to politicise this discussion, but the country is called 'The Republic of Ireland'. The phrase 'the Irish Republic' references the 1916 Easter proclamation, and has specific political and even colonial implications in Ireland. It's frequently used on BBC news, but never in Ireland where it would have a similar connotation to 'the free state' or other radical republican delegitimisations of the Irish state.

So, to confuse the issue, the country is officially called Ireland (it's in the constitution!), and that is the name normally used in Ireland and in Europe. The UK government officially referred to Ireland as the Republic of Ireland until 1998 (it now calls it Ireland) and as a result people in the UK often call it the Republic of Ireland. People calling it the Irish Republic usually have an agenda in doing so, yeah.…

Even more confusing, the constitution defines the name as Éire, but using this term is considered passé or rude if you're not speaking English.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html

ARTICLE 4

The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.

Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by asdasdsddd »

gambiting wrote: post #505
asdasdsddd wrote: post #468

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> because it's explicitly in American interests to do so Please elaborate, and be precise because every interventionist argument is like, "but our trading partners, but our allies" but always fails to link exactly how that improves the lives of Americans. So tell me exactly what we are afraid of. If its trade tell me exactly what the comparative advantage is or what the resource we need is. And if its defense, tell m…

>>So tell me exactly what we are afraid of That's your(American) argument, not mine. When I ask why is America building anti-missile batteries and stationing their troops in my country, the answer is "because it furthers their interests". There is of course always some bullshit of "because it improves our security" - but everyone knows that's not true. They are here because they want to project they are a superpower…

> Having a population of burma(a historically very active conflict area) that is well educated and more likely to oppose the military Junta

Ok so you haven't told me how this furthers Americans interests, that's pretty much every BS power projection argument I've heard for my entire life.

> When I ask why is America building anti-missile batteries and stationing their troops in my country,

Depending on your country, I'm ok with removing the batteries :)

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Post by dr_dshiv »

aisenik wrote: post #218
dr_dshiv wrote: post #140

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>2. The USA will likely avoid war. The USA is currently experiencing an autocoup prosecuted by an unholy alliance of tech industry elites and dominionist christian white supremacists. Its president, who presided over an attempted violent coup in 2021, has called for the annexation of Canada and Greenland, ethnically cleansing Palestine and acquiring it as US territory, military incursions into Mexico, seizing Panama,…

Jeez, when you put it that way…

No, I hear what you are saying. Nevertheless — I don’t think my hypotheticals are unreasonable. All these people want money. And there is so much more money to be made not going to war.

That’s the optimistic path forward, anyway.

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Post by isaacremuant »

smackeyacky wrote: post #501
isaacremuant wrote: post #428

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I recommend you hide your handle from your children, because when they ask what side of holocaust 2 you were on, they might not like what they find.

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Post by dredmorbius »

dang wrote: post #458
ceving wrote: post #258

Duplicate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25083315

On HN, reposts are fine (which is to say, aren't treated as dupes) when a story hasn't had significant attention in the last year or so. This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html . But it's great to link to examples of past threads, because readers like to look at them—so this was a good contribution! just not with the tag "duplicate". Edit: basically, there are two disjoint cases when it makes se…

Thanks for that last note, it's been my argument for a while and I've had a few discussions with people on that point, e.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40849927>. I'll try to remember this comment to share for those cases.

I'll occasionally note recent prior posts which aren't dupes on account of minimal discussion (just because I remember those appearances and wasn't immediately sure myself whether or not the present submission counts as dupes or not. E.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33186713>, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41099760>, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31864872>, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41002384>, and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39242203> all below limits, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33942714> just over the 1 year threshold.

And for multiple posts on a given topic see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41422938> (the indefagitable ChrisArchitect called the dupe, I explained it).

2nd chance queue can also cause confusion, generally not dupes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29071219>.

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Post by edanm »

immibis wrote: post #509
Ste_Tokyo wrote: post #502

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The Gazans voted for Hamas as their leaders knowing their genocidal policy towards Jews. The October 7 attack was popular among Palestinians including Gazans at first. Less so now. It is fair then to say that the Gazans bear some responsibility for the attack. Also, the IDF are targeting Hamas, not the Gazans as a whole. Additional civilian deaths are caused by the cowardly tactics of Hamas to use human shields. The…

So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around? Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023?

> So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis.

I'm not going to speak for the parent poster, but I think the more legitimate Israeli position here isn't that Gaza deserves to be genocided, but it is legitimate to go to war with it to remove its rulers given their invasion of Israel. Israelis in general don't agree that what is happening is a genocide, as opposed to the terrible cost of a legitimate war.

> Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around?

> Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023?

Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians, and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th, everything since then has been part of the campaign that happened because of October 7th.

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Post by OCASMv2 »

lolc wrote: post #503
OCASMv2 wrote: post #476

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> when he did not comment afterwards that it wasn't a Nazi salute No reason for him to do that in the first place. It would set a precedent of having to defend himself every time people who dislike him deliberately malinterpret anything he does.

It would set a precedent of him being part of polite society. Not appearing weaselly to his Nazi friends is more important to him. He has chosen.

Polite society doesn't slander so nilly willy in the first place.

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Post by [deleted] »

edanm wrote: post #457
red019 wrote: post #400

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Even if you believe that Israelis are mass murderers, and even if you are willing to ignore that plenty of other groups have killed far more people, there's zero justification for making this statement about Jews and not Israelis. This comment is simply antisemitism.

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