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Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by whatever1 »

ty6853 wrote: post #310
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #293

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> Supremacy clause will likely protect them Supremacy just covers removal [1]. The body of law being adjudicated doesn't change. And the President can't pardon state offences. I'm not convinced all these folks will get convicted. But they're almost certainly spending their thirties in court. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_jurisdiction

>In 1997, Horiuchi was charged with manslaughter for killing Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge; the charges were later dropped due to Constitutional supremacy, granting federal officers immunity from actions taken in the scope of their practice https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi

But this guy was getting orders from the State. Who the f is Elon?

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by ty6853 »

UncleMeat wrote: post #326
ty6853 wrote: post #279

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And if this were Congress passing a budget then people would be upset but wouldn't be calling it illegal. There's a huge difference between Congress passing a budget (within its constitutional powers) and the Executive just killing anything and everything that seems "woke" them with no legislative authorization.

My assertion was 'the right dismantling the shadow left, and the left dismantling the shadow right hopefully provides some balance.'

Not that they do it in identical ways, nor analogous ways. The demand for an analogy was a strawman predicated on such.

I'm open to the idea both sides have done it lawfully and/or unlawfully.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by ty6853 »

whatever1 wrote: post #331
ty6853 wrote: post #310

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>In 1997, Horiuchi was charged with manslaughter for killing Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge; the charges were later dropped due to Constitutional supremacy, granting federal officers immunity from actions taken in the scope of their practice https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi

But this guy was getting orders from the State. Who the f is Elon?

A federal employee under USDS

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by ty6853 »

llamaimperative wrote: post #301
ty6853 wrote: post #279

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But uhhh… Isn’t that process actually going on currently in Congress, where/when/how it normally happens, and this process is going on separately, very atypically, and already changing government outflows prior to any congressional decisions? I don’t think “every year a totally different branch of government argues over the budget” is analogous at all, and I don’t think you do either.

I haven't said it was analogous though, it was your invented demand.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by ty6853 »

vel0city wrote: post #321
ty6853 wrote: post #279

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> Every year's appropriation bill, there is a line by line partison fight over funding And who normally does that, a billionaire with grudges loosely appointed by the executive branch mostly doing it on his own in secret or the representatives in Congress? You sure this is normal?

No it's not normal. What is normal is say congress and bankers meeting in secret under assumed identities on an (Jakyll) island to create institutions like the federal reserve that 'eases' massive inflation in while purposefully firewalled from democratic representation, and jammed through by their own admission before popular will can stop them.

So doing what was actually advertised is far less secret than much of what congress does.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by asdffdasy »

leovingi wrote: post #330
littlestymaar wrote: post #299

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In democratic countries, civil servants aren't supposed to be changed after each elections, while they have their individual opinions they know their duty and follow the orders that come from the political power (and should they not obey to the order from above, there are disciplinary sanctions that can be leveraged against them). And it's not some theoretical idea, in all Western democracies, every civil servant tha…

>while they have their individual opinions they know their duty and follow the orders that come from the political power Have you forgotten Trump's first presidential term? The resistance [1], the gleeful celebration of the "deep state" fighting back against Trump [2], a US general calling his Chinese counterparts before the 2020 election [3]? Bureaucrats cannot fight against a democratically elected executive, call…

if you actualy read past the thongue in cheek titles, you would realize the insanity of your argument.

for example, you are defending firing workers for: “People are just going to have to accept the results,” he told The Washington Post. “I’m a Republican. I believe in fair and secure elections.”

...some dangerous deep state, indeed.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by wkat4242 »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #312
wkat4242 wrote: post #60

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+1. The only thing better about teams is that it comes 'free' with Microsoft 365. Though you can now take that without it for about 1.50 per month less. But slack costs a lot more. On paper they can do the same but slack is just so much better in terms of UX. Though i do hate that they dropped the IRC bridge. I have been active in slack communities a lot less as a result. I always have my IRC open but not slack.

For companies using teams rather than slack: why not use excel rather than a CRM? You'll save lots of money. Use Google hangouts instead of Zoom. Free videocalling, why worry about quality? It's not clear to me that you actually save money by using worse technology, if it takes more time to do stuff (after you've restarted teams three times to try to get share screen to work, for example).

Yes but that money you waste doesn't come out of the budget of the guy proudly proclaiming to have saved a lot of money :) And it's very hard to quantify.

Internalise the profits, externalise the negatives. It's what companies do but also what departments do within companies.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by darth_avocado »

dangus wrote: post #164
darth_avocado wrote: post #63

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DOGE is not illegal. However the legality of some of the things they do is under question. The current government, including DOGE is being operated like “Just do as many things as possible, so that the lawsuits can’t keep up”. While lawyers are busy trying to stop big things, many small but important items will slip through the cracks and will take decades to undo. Edit: BTW this strategy has always been available, i…

lol, DOGE is obviously illegal. Trump created a fake department of the government without congressional appropriation of funds.

Not everything in the government needs congressional appropriation of funds.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by llamaimperative »

ty6853 wrote: post #335
llamaimperative wrote: post #301

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But uhhh… Isn’t that process actually going on currently in Congress, where/when/how it normally happens, and this process is going on separately, very atypically, and already changing government outflows prior to any congressional decisions? I don’t think “every year a totally different branch of government argues over the budget” is analogous at all, and I don’t think you do either.

I haven't said it was analogous though, it was your invented demand.

You suggested that the right is currently doing to the left what the left does to the right…

Great evidence! Thanks!

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