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Sometimes it do be that simple.
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I recommend you hide your handle from your children, because when they ask what side of holocaust 2 you were on, they might not like what they find.
They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)
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> Now do you see, my darling? Once again, your argument aside, your way of speaking is the issue here. If you think you're winning anyone to your arguments in this way, you're wrong. > And point two is that if you see these facts and decide that you support the Gazans, then you are not holding a different view, you are guilty of being an apologist to Ghengis Khan-level savagery and therefore are deserving of condemna…
The Gazans voted for Hamas as their leaders knowing their genocidal policy towards Jews. The October 7 attack was popular among Palestinians including Gazans at first. Less so now. It is fair then to say that the Gazans bear some responsibility for the attack. Also, the IDF are targeting Hamas, not the Gazans as a whole. Additional civilian deaths are caused by the cowardly tactics of Hamas to use human shields. The Gazans knew that Hamas used these tactics when they voted for them. Again, you reap what you sow.
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Yes when he did not comment afterwards that it wasn't a Nazi salute, I decided to interpret it as one. It's not something that happened in isolation. I allow for the possibility that in the moment he didn't mean for it to be that salute. Now if he's too weak to clarify it wasn't? Then he did a Nazi salute in all ways that count. Being an accidental Nazi is very much on topic for the text we're commenting on.
> when he did not comment afterwards that it wasn't a Nazi salute No reason for him to do that in the first place. It would set a precedent of having to defend himself every time people who dislike him deliberately malinterpret anything he does.
It would set a precedent of him being part of polite society. Not appearing weaselly to his Nazi friends is more important to him. He has chosen.
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>>What is your proposition to stop interest from eating 100% of the federal budget. We just paid 1T of interest, do you think that is going to decelerate? How is that related to shutting down agencies?
Because those agencies are funded by the federal budget. We are literally going into a deficit to send money to other countries. Do you realize how insane that is? And don't tell me this is just a small part of the federal budget. Oh its just a couple billion here and there. That's a lot of money that could go towards not being in debt. This level of fiscal irresponsibility is basically taxation without representatio…
Found the normal German citizen in 1943
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>>Or you know, we can stop getting into wars? Ah yes, "just stop". I mean, but all means - please do. >> Did our adventures in the middle east advance US interests? They made a few american corporations extremely rich and justified balooning the military expenditure. Whether that's in US interests or not - you decide. >>It's called overextension It's part of projecting your might as a superpower. The same reason why…
> because it's explicitly in American interests to do so Please elaborate, and be precise because every interventionist argument is like, "but our trading partners, but our allies" but always fails to link exactly how that improves the lives of Americans. So tell me exactly what we are afraid of. If its trade tell me exactly what the comparative advantage is or what the resource we need is. And if its defense, tell m…
>>So tell me exactly what we are afraid of
That's your(American) argument, not mine. When I ask why is America building anti-missile batteries and stationing their troops in my country, the answer is "because it furthers their interests". There is of course always some bullshit of "because it improves our security" - but everyone knows that's not true. They are here because they want to project they are a superpower and therefore have bases all over the world, not because they love us.
>>We can start with the Burmese scholarships that gives 300k per student
Well I had to look it up, and apparently this is what Trump said about it:
"We also blocked $45 million for diversity scholarships in Burma. Forty-five — that’s a lot of money for diversity scholarships in Burma. You can imagine where that money went," Trump said.
I wish he was more specific. What is he insinuating, exactly?
>> please tell me exactly what the American interests are.
Having a population of burma(a historically very active conflict area) that is well educated and more likely to oppose the military Junta? Of course no one will ever say that openly, it's "humanitarian aid".
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#506"The Germans" is an absolutely jaw dropping read, a series of interviews with average German citizens and low-level nazi party members, conducted a decade or so after the war, by an American Jewish journalist. It shows, in first hand accounts, the banality of evil and how easily it can prevail if people do nothing. It is an account of modern tyranny and everyday collaboration. The parallels in the feeling of what's h…
From a German who lived through the 30s (from memory): "at the time, I couldn't determine if Hitler was a good phenomenon with some bad side-effects, or a bad phenomenon with some good side-effects".
In hindsight the answer is pretty obvious. But in 1934 Germany? A lot less so.
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> We all saw the Nazi salutes with our own eyes You all decided to interpret his gesture as the nazi salute. Big difference.
Yes when he did not comment afterwards that it wasn't a Nazi salute, I decided to interpret it as one. It's not something that happened in isolation. I allow for the possibility that in the moment he didn't mean for it to be that salute. Now if he's too weak to clarify it wasn't? Then he did a Nazi salute in all ways that count. Being an accidental Nazi is very much on topic for the text we're commenting on.
> It's not something that happened in isolation.
I mean, he built the world's leading online platform for anti-Semitism with his take on Twitter/X. All the classic anti-Semitic tropes are extremely common, people are being hounded with anti-Semitic slurs, etc. Flags on it are basically ignored. Elon Musk himself has even endorsed some anti-Semitic tweets. Concerns about all of that go back years (this is what sparked the ad boycot a few years back). I have a hard time seeing how anyone denying the pattern here is acting in good faith, especially since there's a significantly overlap with people who analyse critics of Israeli policy wrt. the Palestinians to the subatomic level for possible anti-Semitism.
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A 20 something is hardly a teenager. Alexander Hamilton was like 21 years old at the start of the American Revolution
I don't think you can compare the maturity of a 21 year old from the time of the American Revolution with the maturity of a 20 year old nowadays, no..
Fair
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> Now do you see, my darling? Once again, your argument aside, your way of speaking is the issue here. If you think you're winning anyone to your arguments in this way, you're wrong. > And point two is that if you see these facts and decide that you support the Gazans, then you are not holding a different view, you are guilty of being an apologist to Ghengis Khan-level savagery and therefore are deserving of condemna…
The Gazans voted for Hamas as their leaders knowing their genocidal policy towards Jews. The October 7 attack was popular among Palestinians including Gazans at first. Less so now. It is fair then to say that the Gazans bear some responsibility for the attack. Also, the IDF are targeting Hamas, not the Gazans as a whole. Additional civilian deaths are caused by the cowardly tactics of Hamas to use human shields. The…
So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis.
Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around?
Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023?
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You are claiming that Israel has “irresistible leverage” over American presidents, so you're gonna need a lot of clarification to who that this isn't an antisemitic dog whistle. What exactly do you think this leverage is?
No I don't owe any clarification to support what is obvious. At this point, the fact that Israel has almost complete control of US politics is the null hypothesis. It's those who deny it that need to provide very convincing, non-handwavy, alternative explanations of why the US is constantly doing Israel's bidding against international law, the international community and basic human rights, damaging its own standing…
You're confusing: “the US has geopolitical interest in the middle East that are fully aligned with Isreal” and “Israel controls the US politics”.
Both have the same visible symptoms, but the causal explanation is different. I can write an essay on the former, you cannot give an explanation of "how" Israel is supposed to control the US (that isn't a conspiracy theory about the Jews, that is), that's the problem.
If you want to change my mind, that's easy, just explain how, by which lever, does Israel controls the US. Not the symptoms like you did, but the phenomenon itself as you think it exits.