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Re: Eggs US – Price – Chart

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Post by buran77 »

iancmceachern wrote: post #729
buran77 wrote: post #719

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a much bigger problem. People at the limit of survival financially - and there's a lot of them - may not have the luxury of any kind of financial education, or the leeway to experiment and take longer term aggregates and strategies. There is only now. It's expensive to be poor and this is why. It's not just hedonists, a chronically empty stomach changes the way you think and how far and wide you're seeing.

So you are telling me poor folks are poor and struggling? As if this isn't known?

> So you are telling me poor folks are poor and struggling?

No, I'm telling you that your examples, the "strategy" of getting financial efficiency, and calling it "hedonism" are disconnected from the reality of the people who suffer from this the most. Unlike you those people don't leave dinner on the table because it was too cheap.

> As if this isn't known?

It doesn't sound like you know know. You're telling a blind person how to get around better by just "looking around".

Your perspective above is the modern version of "let them eat cake" [0]. "You don't have enough money? Try to live like you have enough money".

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake

Re: Eggs US – Price – Chart

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Post by lumost »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #696
lumost wrote: post #694

Checking all of the prices on that page, food prices have clearly been inflating faster than core CPI. Poultry has inflated at an average rate of 8% for the last 16 years.

Because core CPI is a big fat lie. There's absolutely zero chance inflation topped at 9.1% in 2022.

Aye it would be interesting to correlate the S&P 500 returns to food prices alone over the last 15 years of zirp. A higher “real” inflation rate on food could indicate that many retirees budget projections are broken.

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Post by dan-robertson »

autoexec wrote: post #608
renewiltord wrote: post #592

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Oh I see. And how much would t-shirts made by this non-slave ethical corporation be?

I've never owned a t-shirt that wasn't made by an unethical clothing industry which uses child slaves and abuses workers in sweatshops to produce hundreds of tons of clothing filled with plastics and poison every single year most of which will be burned or left to rot in a desert on the other side of the world from the retail shop that overpriced it when they sold it to me. I have no idea what the fair market price o…

It’s not particularly hard to find clothes that are made ethically. I do it for most clothes I own. It’s even easier if (and more expensive) if you wear more traditional clothes (wool suits, coats, dress shoes, etc). You can avoid a lot of the abuses by buying things made in more developed countries (though obviously workers still won’t be paid terribly well, and the garment industry in the United States has some unpleasant corners). This tends to make clothes more expensive, especially as higher quality, more expensive inputs tend to be used too, but you can probably find a tee that isn’t particularly pricey.

I’m kinda surprised you never tried to do this considering how easy it is and how much your comments seem to suggest that you care. Possibly we’re talking past one another and you wouldn’t find any clothing companies that meet your ethical standards.

Re: Eggs US – Price – Chart

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Post by AngryData »

likeabatterycar wrote: post #348
mplanchard wrote: post #18

Fresh, local eggs have remained around the same price here. While more expensive than eggs from large producers in normal times, they are now often cheaper. This is a great reminder of how important it is to support local farmers and small operations, which increase the resilience of the system as a whole.

Ok, but, you can't feed 340M people with "fresh, local eggs". While it's nice you buy six eggs at a time from Joe Farmer off the back of his '72 Ford, but factory farms are an unfortunate necessity to feed everyone that isn't so privileged.

To an extent, yeah. But farmland utilization has been dropping for decades. We are nowhere near not having enough farmland to feed people even if production efficiency was to drop significantly.

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Post by AngryData »

ivanjermakov wrote: post #691
aucisson_masque wrote: post #599

Lots of people suggesting to build chicken coop. i have one, sure it's not much work. 2 minutes every day to grab the egg and bring the food and water, but then every 3 year you got to take the hatchet, grab each chicken, cut right on the neck and then hang it with it's feet while it's bleeding out and flapping its wings. then there are the few occasion where you miss with the hatchet and it cuts half its neck, its h…

After reading that, I'm not only not want to build a coop, I don't want to consume eggs anymore lol. I guess I'm too "animal loving people".

You don't have to slaughter them, if you get regular heirloom chickens. The ones bred for corporate mass farms, yeah they are better off dead because they are genetic freaks either bred to only be meat and turn into a solid mass of meat that can't really walk or to shoot eggs out like a gatling gun, both of which are horrible for any potential long-term health. But traditional chicken breeds you can just accept having less eggs as they get older. Really the super genetic bred chickens aren't good for backyard growers to start with, you aren't going to consume that many eggs or want to have them so fat and meaty they can barely walk after 3 months.

My parents have had chickens for the last 40 years, never once slaughtered one. They either live to old age, or a predator comes along and grabs a slower older one or two.

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Post by lsaferite »

aj_icracked wrote: post #484
ljf wrote: post #388

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I grew up on a (very) small farm - I still go to throw apple cores out of the window, as when I was younger the was always /something/ that would be happy for the treat. All dinner scraps were saved (or rather taken straight out), and all the windfall and rotten apples were happily eaten by the sheep, cow, geese and chickens. I really hate throwing food away now, really pains me!

One of the things that we've been thinking about is when we're at scale (I would say scale is 50,000+ Coops in the field) I would love to build a circular food waste system where we use food expiring / thrown out from grocery stores to feed our Coop member's chickens. Then we'll do partnerships where our members can sell excess backyard-to-table eggs back to the grocery stores. Most people don't get that eggs usually…

The crazy part that I learned when we started keeping chickens is that the eggs last so long unrefrigerated. In the US we have to wash commercial eggs, but we don't wash ours until use. We can keep eggs in our countertop spiral holder for weeks, easily, and they are perfect. Once I learned how old eggs in stores were, I bought more chickens.

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Post by briffle »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #599

Lots of people suggesting to build chicken coop. i have one, sure it's not much work. 2 minutes every day to grab the egg and bring the food and water, but then every 3 year you got to take the hatchet, grab each chicken, cut right on the neck and then hang it with it's feet while it's bleeding out and flapping its wings. then there are the few occasion where you miss with the hatchet and it cuts half its neck, its h…

Having chickens taguth me that the phrase 'pecking order' is a pretty horrible thing.

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Post by hattmall »

nsbk wrote: post #715
ljf wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up on a (very) small farm - I still go to throw apple cores out of the window, as when I was younger the was always /something/ that would be happy for the treat. All dinner scraps were saved (or rather taken straight out), and all the windfall and rotten apples were happily eaten by the sheep, cow, geese and chickens. I really hate throwing food away now, really pains me!

Throwing away the core is throwing away both food and the most beneficial part of the apple for your gut. Of the ~100 million bacteria in an apple, the core and seeds contain around 60%, while the pulp only contains around 20%, the skin 10%, the stem 10%. Numbers are from the top of my head, they could be off

Are you saying you eat Apple Cores?

Re: Eggs US – Price – Chart

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Post by hattmall »

bombcar wrote: post #368
aj_icracked wrote: post #354

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It's a good question - From what we've seen most suburban people that raise chickens don't do it to lower costs of eggs - they do it to have better control over the quality of food they eat, to teach their kids that you take care of the chickens, they take care of us. To eliminate food waste (avg family throws out 200+ lbs a year of food that can go to chickens, and because funnily enough most backyard farmers treat…

From an absolute financial standpoint it might be hard to justify eggs from backyard chickens, though once you realize that they can eat something like 25% of their feed can be grass or clippings, and that some percentage can be redirected household waste (think: peels, food waste, etc) it becomes much more favorable. As you mentioned, most treat them like pets which means they get to learn how long-lived chickens ca…

Financially speaking the biggest way to break even is having some way to get value from excess eggs. Selling them or trading for feed is ideal.

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Post by hattmall »

iancmceachern wrote: post #710
close04 wrote: post #708

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I agree with the sentiment but keep in mind that being able to do that is a luxury, not the baseline. Too many people in the world, very developed countries included, have to take decisions based exclusively on their finances, having no more room for the niceties than you have for a yacht.

Agreed. I've found, in my own life, that when I'm hyper focused on optimizing things for cost I often get far less "out" of things. I end up not eating my whole dinner because I don't like it. But if I let go a bit, things are actually in aggregate more financially efficient when I'm getting more of what I pay for, if that makes sense. It only works for people who are built this way though. Not hedonists.

It does not make sense,to me, can you elaborate? I know I spend too much time / effort cost optimizing. Interested in reasonable ways to justify not doing so!
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