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Post by CraigJPerry »

xnorswap wrote: post #44
pmayrgundter wrote: post #35

I tried voice chat. It's very good, except for the politics We started talking about my plans for the day, and I said I was making chili. G asked if I have a recipe or if I needed one. I said, I started with Obama's recipe many years ago and have worked on it from there. G gave me a form response that it can't talk politics. Oh, I'm not talking politics, I'm talking chili. G then repeated form response and tried to c…

I find it horrifying and dystopian that the part where it "Can't talk politics" is just accepted and your complaint is that it interrupts your ability to talk chilli. "Go back to bed America." "You are free, to do as we tell you" https://youtu.be/TNPeYflsMdg?t=143

One plus is that’s usually less pointless noise this way.

If the model says “sorry, no politics, let’s talk about something else” - there’s a tiny fraction of a minority will make a comment like you did and be done with it. We can all move on.

If the model responds as neutrally as possible, maybe “Obama’s chilli is a great recipe, let me know when you want to begin”, we end up with ENDLESS clutching of pearls, WOKE MODEL SUGGESTS LEFT WING CHILLI BETTER THAN RIGHT WING CHILLI!!! CANCEL LEFTIST GOOGLE!!!

And then the bit that actually bugs me, just to stir up some drama you’ll get the occasional person who absolutely knows better and knows exactly what they’re doing: “I’m Professor MegaQualifications, and actually I will show that those who have criticised the models as leftist are being shut down[1] and ignored but the evidence shows they have a point…”

[1] always said unironically at a time when it’s established as a daily recurring news story being rammed down our throats because it’s one of those easy opinion generators that sells engagement like few other stories outside of mass bloodshed events

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by SilverSlash »

leetharris wrote: post #39

These names are unbelievably bad. Flash, Flash-Lite? How do these AI companies keep doing this? Sonnet 3.5 v2 o3-mini-high Gemini Flash-Lite It's like a competition to see who can make the goofiest naming conventions. Regarding model quality, we experiment with Google models constantly at Rev and they are consistently the worst of all the major players. They always benchmark well and consistently fail in real tasks.…

Can you come up with better names?

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Post by jillesvangurp »

leetharris wrote: post #39

These names are unbelievably bad. Flash, Flash-Lite? How do these AI companies keep doing this? Sonnet 3.5 v2 o3-mini-high Gemini Flash-Lite It's like a competition to see who can make the goofiest naming conventions. Regarding model quality, we experiment with Google models constantly at Rev and they are consistently the worst of all the major players. They always benchmark well and consistently fail in real tasks.…

They are probably using their own LLMs to generate the names.

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Post by gloosx »

SilverSlash wrote: post #212
leetharris wrote: post #39

These names are unbelievably bad. Flash, Flash-Lite? How do these AI companies keep doing this? Sonnet 3.5 v2 o3-mini-high Gemini Flash-Lite It's like a competition to see who can make the goofiest naming conventions. Regarding model quality, we experiment with Google models constantly at Rev and they are consistently the worst of all the major players. They always benchmark well and consistently fail in real tasks.…

Can you come up with better names?

Google AI. Google AI 2. Google AI 3. - for google

AIPal. AltmanAI. PayAI. - for Altman

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Post by starchild3001 »

tnias23 wrote: post #210
starchild3001 wrote: post #208

I use all top of the line models everyday. Not for coding, but for general "cognitive" tasks like research, thinking, analysis, writing etc. What Google calls Gemini Pro 2.0 has been my most favorite model for the past couple of months. I think o1/4o come pretty close. Those are kinda equals, with a slight preference for Gemini. Claude has fallen behind, clearly. DeepSeek is intriguing. It excels occassionally where…

do you mean "Gemini 2.0 Pro Experimental 02-05"? too many similarly named models

Yes.

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Post by TiredOfLife »

whynotminot wrote: post #113
seanhunter wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you're finding it confusing. There's Duff, Duff Lite and now there's also all-new Duff Dry.

I tend to prefer Duff Original Dry and Lite, but that’s just me

And all three filled from the same tube. That the widescreen version doesn't show because the top is cut off.

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Post by OccamsMirror »

basch wrote: post #138
vel0city wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with over a decade of Google Apps management history, my experiences is Workspace customers are practically always the last to get the shiny new features. Quite frustrating.

Isn't that generally how it goes? Windows Vista was tested on consumers to make 7 Enterprise appropriate?

Except with Google you might never get the feature.

Still can't manage Google Workspace Calendar with Google Home, for instance. A feature that's been available for personal accounts for years.

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Post by tomjuggler »

leetharris wrote: post #39

These names are unbelievably bad. Flash, Flash-Lite? How do these AI companies keep doing this? Sonnet 3.5 v2 o3-mini-high Gemini Flash-Lite It's like a competition to see who can make the goofiest naming conventions. Regarding model quality, we experiment with Google models constantly at Rev and they are consistently the worst of all the major players. They always benchmark well and consistently fail in real tasks.…

Deepseek Reasoner is a pretty good name for a pretty good model I think.. pity the performance is so terrible via the api

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Post by lynguist »

duxup wrote: post #88
xnorswap wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it horrifying and dystopian that the part where it "Can't talk politics" is just accepted and your complaint is that it interrupts your ability to talk chilli. "Go back to bed America." "You are free, to do as we tell you" https://youtu.be/TNPeYflsMdg?t=143

Online the idea of "no politics" is often used as a way to try to stifle / silence discussion too. It's disturbingly fitting to the Gemini example. I was a part of a nice small forum online. Most posts were everyday life posts / personal. The person who ran it seemed well meaning. Then a "no politics" rule appeared. It was fine for a while. I understood what they meant and even I only want so much outrage in my small…

I have come to understand that "no politics"/"just politics" means no election campaign talk.

As almost everything that is personal is in some way political (when taking the meaning "what strategy to use for ruling over a city") even the discussion of what politics is can kill discussions. (Like it seems to have happened in your example.)

So my conclusion is you cannot separate "personal" and "political" into completely disjoint categories.

The rule seems to be in place to make discussions not veer off in direction of which policies to apply/to be in favor of which particular politicians (which is nowadays the biggest taboo for a corporate LLM).

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Post by stavros »

nudpiedo wrote: post #181
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have OpenAI Deep Research access in Europe and it is extremely good. It's also particularly good at niche market research in products and companies. Happy to give you a demo. If you want to send me a prompt, I can share a link to the resulting output.

I wish to know how to access it for myself, but how may I contact you? is it chatGPT Plus, Pro or something else? Where are you based UK or Germany? I was hoping for a market research on SysML tooling.

See the top of the announcement:

https://openai.com/index/introducing-deep-research/

It's Pro only for now.

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