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AppFog Wants To Do For Developer Platforms What Google Did For EMail

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Re: AppFog Wants To Do For Developer Platforms What Google Did For EMail

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Does this give me one VPS that I can resize up to 2GB without paying for? Can I launch multiple VPSs that are up to 2GB? If you are trying to say its not a VPS, I don't believe you. I bet it is at least built on some kind of virtualization. What is it exactly?

I'm sure all cloud hosts are built on virtualization...

Just think of cloud hosting as the next generation of VPS hosting.

Re: AppFog Wants To Do For Developer Platforms What Google Did For EMail

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I'm seeing a lot of comments talking about "just get a {VPS, dedicate box, Amazon, etc...}". I think people are missing the point. AppFog is trying to take all the "hard" work out of SysOps. Think Chef on crack, you are paying for their pre-configured infrastructure from the top down.

Their idea is provide a powerful, scaleable platform quickly and easily. Their mentality is called NoOps (http://blog.appfog.com/what-is-noops-anyhow/). It's a cheesy marketing term, and pissed a lot of people off, but it's pretty spot on for what their service offers.

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Uhh, scaling issues?

Re: AppFog Wants To Do For Developer Platforms What Google Did For EMail

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Im really not sure about the pricing model. Here are a couple of points: There are tons of people looking for $5 vps that have like 500mb on ram. Your pricing structure will be like a magnet for those type of people. I dont think may of those people will upgrade to a $100 a month plan though. As with the point above, you are relying to heavily on the people who have bought into the system at the free plan and now hav…

As a $5-VPS-with-512MB-of-RAM user, I would agree that us folks aren't the kind that want big upgrades. I use it to host a personal site, an informational site (http://websocket.us/) and that's about it. I'm not out there to build huge cloud apps.

Re: AppFog Wants To Do For Developer Platforms What Google Did For EMail

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Im really not sure about the pricing model. Here are a couple of points: There are tons of people looking for $5 vps that have like 500mb on ram. Your pricing structure will be like a magnet for those type of people. I dont think may of those people will upgrade to a $100 a month plan though. As with the point above, you are relying to heavily on the people who have bought into the system at the free plan and now hav…

I don't know any Ruby beyond absolute basics, and definitely didn't need to use it to get started.

If you're using OS X or Linux, just run these 3 commands in a Terminal:

sudo gem install af af login af update [appname]

to upload your app.

See here for more details http://blog.appfog.com/getting-started-with-appfogs-command-...

But you can get started with things like Wordpress or Drupal without touching the appfog client, see here for a list of "jumpstarts"

http://docs.appfog.com/getting-started/jumpstarts

Re: AppFog Wants To Do For Developer Platforms What Google Did For EMail

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https://console.appfog.com/pricing 2GB RAM FREE | 4GB RAM $100/month | 16GB RAM $380/month | 32GB RAM $720/month | More if you contact AppFog Scaling your app is free, choosing multiple infrastructures is free, custom domains are free, fastest available servers in the infrastructures

on the other hand, ovh offers dedicated servers for: 16GB RAM £70/month 24GB RAM £100/month 24GB RAM £180/month 64GB RAM £260/month http://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/

That's so far from a like for like comparison that I can only think you've not read what AppFog is offering...

Re: AppFog Wants To Do For Developer Platforms What Google Did For EMail

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A thousand words, or 30 seconds start to finish of deploying a Ruby app yourself on AppFog - https://console.appfog.com/signup

I registered as you suggested. I agree that getting productive in 10-15 minutes is great, but the setup time, at least for me, even if it takes a whole day, is a negligible overhead in my life as a programmer. Currently I run multiple servers on Amazon and as someone that programs in more than two languages, I drop an instance of whatever I am working on (Ruby, Java, Django as examples) and they really do not take mu…

AppFog handle things like software updates, scaling beyond one machine, DDoS attacks, all those kind of things.

You ask them to deploy a (for example) MongoDB service, they do it, and they are responsible for the operation of it.

The idea is to reduce the amount of day to day (or more likely month to month) work involved in doing things like security patches, upgrading infrastructure, etc, that suck up a lot of time, especially for people who don't have experience in building load balancers and so on.

Re: AppFog Wants To Do For Developer Platforms What Google Did For EMail

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post #7

Does this give me one VPS that I can resize up to 2GB without paying for? Can I launch multiple VPSs that are up to 2GB? If you are trying to say its not a VPS, I don't believe you. I bet it is at least built on some kind of virtualization. What is it exactly?

It's not in itself a VPS no, it's an "application environment", that's self contained and runs inside the Linux operating system. You can have multiple applications running over multiple instances, and Appfog handle all the deployment, scaling, and back-end management.

Those Linux instances are hosted on one of multiple providers (your choice), for example Amazon, Rackspace, HP Cloud, etc.

Re: AppFog Wants To Do For Developer Platforms What Google Did For EMail

#29
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AppFog wants to make developer platforms load slowly and be so disorganized and haphazard that you can't tell what's going on... great.

People need to spend some time understanding their architecture before just blindly moving into a PaaS provider. There are pitfalls and I bet we see some startups go the PaaS route then pivot later on.

Re: AppFog Wants To Do For Developer Platforms What Google Did For EMail

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I registered as you suggested. I agree that getting productive in 10-15 minutes is great, but the setup time, at least for me, even if it takes a whole day, is a negligible overhead in my life as a programmer. Currently I run multiple servers on Amazon and as someone that programs in more than two languages, I drop an instance of whatever I am working on (Ruby, Java, Django as examples) and they really do not take mu…

AppFog handle things like software updates, scaling beyond one machine, DDoS attacks, all those kind of things. You ask them to deploy a (for example) MongoDB service, they do it, and they are responsible for the operation of it. The idea is to reduce the amount of day to day (or more likely month to month) work involved in doing things like security patches, upgrading infrastructure, etc, that suck up a lot of time,…

That is true, but what appfog (and the other PaaS providers) do not give is the ability to tweak service[1] configs even to a limited degree. Not needing to worry about Mongo or MySql setup is great, but for all of my non trivial use cases, I have had to adjust configs at least a little.

[1] Cloud Foundry(and by implication AppFog) differentiate apps from services, where services are backend infra like databases.

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