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Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by amenhotep »

jfkrrorj wrote: post #69
woodpanel wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely uninformed statement. Its impressive what they achieved in such a short time but neither the xiaomi nor the BYD Seal is anywhere close to what it is mimicking.

It just shows how uninformed you are! BYD Seal is 2000kg car, we do not want that! Europeans want EVs that are maybe 600kg to do shopping and drive around town. 80kms on single charge and 50kmph are quite acceptable parameters. If I can remove car battery, put it on a cart, and take it to my apartment on 10th floor via elevator, even better! I need to charge it over night! If I could spare $50k on new car, I would bu…

I'm all in on thinking modern cars are too fat but "maybe 600kg" is an absurd suggestion. That's less than a Smart Fortwo. There'll be a market for that but it's not what "Europeans want".

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Post by throwaway5752 »

stevenAthompson wrote: post #139
tim333 wrote: post #124

Vaguely related, Paul Graham tweeted "I worry Elon has no idea how much he has damaged his personal brand ...", re UK stuff and Elon posted a pages of text rant as a result. Not sure if it was written by him or Grok. I worry Elon's going a bit bonkers with drugs or whatever. Conversation here: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1879785727468163505

> I worry Elon's going a bit bonkers with drugs or whatever. This is most of the reason I don't have a Tesla. The entire company will fold if Musk takes a bit too much ketamine and has a Roseanne Barr moment. At that point I won't be able to get parts as the vehicles were built from the ground up to be hostile to third party repairs. I don't want to be left holding the bag because Elon wanted to smoke a bag.

Musk takes a bit too much ketamine and has a Roseanne Barr moment

Rosanne Barr, for her flaws, has never done anything as bad as Elon Musk has done in the past two weeks. He already had his Rosanne moment and then some with the Nazi salute, and soared past her into uncharted territory since then. He has lost his mind.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by robocat »

electric_mayhem wrote: post #62
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #32

This may get flagged as it's similar to previous articles that were flagged, but I'd just like to point out that ideological arguments pro or con about Tesla stories rarely seem to be the true reason. That is, whenever there is an article about Tesla sales slipping you see lots of "That's because all the liberal EV buyers hate Elon now!" comments. And as much as I may personally want that to be true, if you dig a tee…

I bought a Tesla in 2019 - back when it was the Eco conscious car nerd choice, and before he started skewing right. I liked it so much I got solar for my house from Tesla, along with multiple powerwalls. Frankly, the car has been an embarrassment to take out into the world for the last three or four years. With him outing himself as an outright nazi, yesterday I spent fifteen minutes with a heat gun, dental floss, an…

I hope you either:

(A) design your own replacement logo (perhaps something subversive), or

(B) stick on a logo from another brand... Maybe an old British/Euro brand? Or a brand associated with gas-guzzlers. Or an old-school rainbow Apple logo.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by toomuchtodo »

stevenAthompson wrote: post #139
tim333 wrote: post #124

Vaguely related, Paul Graham tweeted "I worry Elon has no idea how much he has damaged his personal brand ...", re UK stuff and Elon posted a pages of text rant as a result. Not sure if it was written by him or Grok. I worry Elon's going a bit bonkers with drugs or whatever. Conversation here: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1879785727468163505

> I worry Elon's going a bit bonkers with drugs or whatever. This is most of the reason I don't have a Tesla. The entire company will fold if Musk takes a bit too much ketamine and has a Roseanne Barr moment. At that point I won't be able to get parts as the vehicles were built from the ground up to be hostile to third party repairs. I don't want to be left holding the bag because Elon wanted to smoke a bag.

I own several Teslas, and based on first hand service experience, your concerns are warranted. Stay out of the ecosystem, lots of other good EVs to pick from (Hyundai Ioniq 6, for example). If nothing goes wrong during your ownership, you're fine. If anything goes wrong and you need service or support, it is a terrible experience.

Maybe this changes if Tesla fires Musk and puts someone competent and accountable at the helm (bring JB Straubel back as CEO, imho). I wouldn’t buy another Tesla until then.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by qwerpy »

lanewinfield wrote: post #96
fiftyfifty wrote: post #33

It's such a shame. My wife has an early Model 3 from 2019 that's now over 100,000 miles. It's been a great car, no major issues and no maintenance for 6 years. 100,000 miles with nothing but new tires and windshield washer fluid is amazing to me. We're not in a position to unload our Tesla for something else right now, but without major changes at the head of the company it will likely be the last Tesla we own.

Same boat. Model Y, 2022. Will keep it as long as it lives, but wouldn't be caught dead buying another.

I have a ‘21 Y and a ‘24 CT but we’re done buying Teslas for at least another few years. As long as I can talk my wife out of upgrading the Y to an X.

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Post by OneDonOne »

alephnerd wrote: post #125
tim333 wrote: post #124

Vaguely related, Paul Graham tweeted "I worry Elon has no idea how much he has damaged his personal brand ...", re UK stuff and Elon posted a pages of text rant as a result. Not sure if it was written by him or Grok. I worry Elon's going a bit bonkers with drugs or whatever. Conversation here: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1879785727468163505

On that note, I've always wondered whether a lot of this is because of his Apartheid-era South African upbringing. Unlike a lot of White South Africans he's English, and they were viewed as outsiders by a number of Afrikaners. Same with with David Sacks being Jewish South African and Peter Thiel being the kid of German expats in ZA. On the other hand, Roelof Botha tends to remain outside the political limelight despi…

There is a missing link that shows the post-Apartheid behaviour - Paul Calder Le Roux.

https://coinmarketcap.com/academy/article/satoshi-files-paul...

It is all their when you include him: the unstable personal identity. The contempt for average South African (British or Afrikaaner) while being a minority white. The Sovereign Individualism. The use of the Internet to pioneer new firlds of commerce (telemedicine). The contempt for women. The attempts breed Ubermenschen. And of course, the utter contempt for Rule of Law.

We can also explain much of their behaviour when we look at his life story.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by toomuchtodo »

gnfargbl wrote: post #92
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I live in San Mateo County, CA Jackson Hole, Wyoming. One sold (Model X), one scrapped (Cybertruck). Oddly, opposite ends of the political spectrum. Both because of Musk’s new brand.

"Republicans buy sneakers, too." I wonder how long it will take the Tesla board to fully internalise the meaning of that quote.

https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=179415 (draw your attention to the center of the graphic, Republican vs Democrat, as it relates to who would consider purchasing an EV)

About 3 in 10 Americans would seriously consider buying an electric vehicle - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/27/about-3-i... - June 27, 2024

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by electric_mayhem »

robocat wrote: post #145
electric_mayhem wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a Tesla in 2019 - back when it was the Eco conscious car nerd choice, and before he started skewing right. I liked it so much I got solar for my house from Tesla, along with multiple powerwalls. Frankly, the car has been an embarrassment to take out into the world for the last three or four years. With him outing himself as an outright nazi, yesterday I spent fifteen minutes with a heat gun, dental floss, an…

I hope you either: (A) design your own replacement logo (perhaps something subversive), or (B) stick on a logo from another brand... Maybe an old British/Euro brand? Or a brand associated with gas-guzzlers. Or an old-school rainbow Apple logo.

Funny you should say this– I'm working on that right now. :-)

I've had a complete Mazda 3 badge set from Fleabay in a drawer in my garage that I ordered when he first started skewing right. I picked those because, if you squint right, it kind of resembles a Mazda 3 (and nobody is going to give it a second thought once they see Mazda badges).

Just downloaded from Thingiverse files for blank wheel center caps for the car and, separately, the Mazda logo. Caps are printing now.

Aiming for stealth rather than activism with the de- and re-badging. Activism is for other venues.

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