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Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

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Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

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Hmm. How much work would it take to get Adobe apps working on Linux? I ask because aside from games, which Mr Newell is clearly all over, Adobe is one of the main reasons I hear quoted for why people can't switch to Linux.

Gimp is an alright alternative to Photoshop, as a web developer you could manage, but I couldn't see any designers making the switch. I've also noticed that Gimp makes jpgs of lesser quality, smaller, but noticeably trashier.

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Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

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Yes, Steam breaks on Windows 8. But people shouldn't take that motivation as something that makes what Newell is saying automatically wrong. He's far from the only person to say Win8 is going to be a disaster for MS - perhaps it is worth looking at the possibility he is actually right.

I don't see anything in the article about Steam breaking on Win8. I haven't heard that anywhere before your comment.

According to the article, Gabe is concerned with Windows Store and Xbox Live integration, fearing those would compete too strongly with Steam.

Features such as Xbox LIVE integration could make the Windows Store and Windows 8 a more appealing platform for gamers and developers alike than Steam.

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

#43

Hmm. How much work would it take to get Adobe apps working on Linux? I ask because aside from games, which Mr Newell is clearly all over, Adobe is one of the main reasons I hear quoted for why people can't switch to Linux.

Gimp is an alright alternative to Photoshop, as a web developer you could manage, but I couldn't see any designers making the switch. I've also noticed that Gimp makes jpgs of lesser quality, smaller, but noticeably trashier.

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Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

#45

I think Newell has misjudged why Linux hasn't taken off as a personal computing platform. Sure, the lack of games doesn't help, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.

I would personally say that gaming is a giant chunk of the iceberg. Others (for me) would be video editing, and music production. Oh, and testing sites in Internet Explorer.

Microsoft provides virtual images of various windowses just for testing websites in various Internet Explorer versions.

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

#47

Hmm. How much work would it take to get Adobe apps working on Linux? I ask because aside from games, which Mr Newell is clearly all over, Adobe is one of the main reasons I hear quoted for why people can't switch to Linux.

Gimp is an alright alternative to Photoshop, as a web developer you could manage, but I couldn't see any designers making the switch. I've also noticed that Gimp makes jpgs of lesser quality, smaller, but noticeably trashier.

Speaking as a visual arts professional, GIMP won't do as a replacement for Photoshop for me. In addition, there's no replacement for After Effects, and no equally good alternative (IMO) to Premiere as a current-generation video editor.

I take it the difficulty of making these apps work in Linux is basically impossible?

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

sure, most of my friends are CS majors, but if they aren't linux users already, the reason they always cite is the lack of support for games. What else is there for an end user?

A decent window manager.

dunno what you are talking about... xmonad is great. :P

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

#49
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I wish this were true (I've been gunning for the MS downfall forever), I doubt it will be the case. My (non-technical) girlfriend recently needed a reformat, so on a whim I installed the 8 RC to see what her reaction would be. She loves it. It is, quite simply, the first Windows release that presents software in a friendly and usable way that allows the non-technical user to get just as much from a PC as t…

Wow, this is the first positive reported use-case I've heard for Windows 8 "in the wild". Can anyone corroborate this from a non-technical user experience?

I think the lack of positive feedback on the blogoweb is due to the the degree that 8 is directed at non-technical users. Many HN'ers and the tech writers we read will be put off by the metaphorical down-talking of the start 'menu'.

I doubt any technical users will have any interest in Metro apps on PCs. The same features that make non-techies feel less affronted with interface elements will feel childish to experienced users. (Just take a look at the HN discussions surrounding the skeumorphic calendar app in Moutain Lion - its the same distaste, just to a lesser degree.)

And, if you don't get any benefit from the Metro apps or start 'menu', you really don't get much benefit out of 8.

Gabe is absolutely correct to offer Steam on Linux. Many technical Windows users who have invested in their PCs (read: many gamers) will use their distaste as an opportunity to try Ubuntu. People are always looking for something new, especially in regards to software.

None of this, I believe, will make 8 a business failure for MS.

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gimp is an alright alternative to Photoshop, as a web developer you could manage, but I couldn't see any designers making the switch. I've also noticed that Gimp makes jpgs of lesser quality, smaller, but noticeably trashier.

Speaking as a visual arts professional, GIMP won't do as a replacement for Photoshop for me. In addition, there's no replacement for After Effects, and no equally good alternative (IMO) to Premiere as a current-generation video editor. I take it the difficulty of making these apps work in Linux is basically impossible?

what about wine? does performance suffer too much?
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