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Post by joe8756438 »

bombcar wrote: post #449
GeoAtreides wrote: post #438

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what will it happen with the old hens?

Most layers do ok the first year, great the second, and then taper off. If you have old crockpot recipes, they can taste great after egg production drops off. But they can keep laying for quite some time. You can reduce the feed costs by letting them graze (though even a few chickens will lay waste to an average sized backyard if given the chance) and/or using household food waste.

yeah, on a small scale it’s actually pretty easy to make a decent dent in the feed bill. once you get over a dozen hens though it would take a few adults to make enough waste. chickens eat a lot!

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Post by bdangubic »

phil21 wrote: post #286
jghn wrote: post #278

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I live in a city and buy most of my fresh produce, meat, and dairy from local farms.

Which is not scalable for the entire big city. My parents are organic market gardeners, and there is simply no way that model could scale up enough to feed that many people cheaply. Food budgets would have to go back to the 1940's or earlier - where they were a significant fraction of take home pay. Now they are almost a rounding error comparatively. I don't necessarily think that would be a bad thing. A lot of the a…

Now they are almost a rounding error comparatively.

ballparking I’d need about low 7-figure after tax pay for my food budget to qualify as a rounding error…

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Post by kobalsky »

anigbrowl wrote: post #505
kobalsky wrote: post #420

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> It's entirely possible that these goons will start fiddling with official statistics around things like unemployment and inflation to tell us that inflation is not actually happening any more and that therefore we must cut interest rates, or some such. in the end statistics is a science, and results can be cross-referenced with independent sources. you may get away with a bit, but not with much [1]. [1]: https://ww…

Don't rely on this. It works when bad actors are isolated and hoping nobody will notice, but not so well when there are tens of millions ready to repeat the official line, whether they believe it or not.

tens of millions? well then your problem is not that officals could fudge the numbers, your house is on fire, of course my comment doesn't apply.

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Post by wglb »

idlewords wrote: post #146
_tariky wrote: post #45

Perfect time to build chicken coop. Also eggs price is increasing globally witch is not good.

I've noticed a fun split among people I know—those who grew up on a farm will move heaven and earth never to deal with chickens again, while people who grew up in cities or suburbs are really into the idea.

Grew up on a farm. Dealt with cows, horses, chickens. Chickens are by far the worst. Maybe bats would be worse. Happy to leave that as an exercise for someone else’s imagination

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Post by jandrewrogers »

adrian_b wrote: post #418
jandrewrogers wrote: post #295

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Eggs in the US, Canada, Japan, Scandinavia, and a couple other countries are washed, which removes a layer that seals the egg. Eggs are a major vector for salmonella contamination; washing them materially reduces the incidence rates. It is not egg specific. The countries that wash their eggs have atypically strong standards for bacterial contamination hygiene in food processing. Many food products from Europe are pro…

Europeans do not wash their eggs like the Americans, because they believe that this is a poor method for preventing Salmonella contamination, which has the serious drawback of increasing the chance that the eggs will not be safe for consumption when stored for a too long time. In Europe, poultry vaccination against Salmonella is the preferred method. In most places Salmonella occurrences are exceedingly rare. In gene…

The US FDA's position on this is well-reasoned.

US eggs are generally vaccinated against salmonella and washed. The vaccination part isn't mandatory but it is cost effective so producers do it anyway. The effectiveness of the salmonella vaccines is middling at best and unpredictable -- eggs are still a major source of salmonella outbreaks in Europe. The benefit of washing eggs versus vaccines is that it produces a reliable result whereas the vaccine effectiveness has high variance. Also, this isn't a "European" thing, some parts of Europe also wash their eggs for the same reason. The US only started washing eggs in the 1970s, in a successful effort to reduce salmonella incidence.

Salmonella vaccines that work consistently and effectively in poultry are still an active area of research, it isn't a solved problem.

Regardless of what you believe, US food regulations regarding bacterial contamination are significantly stricter than Europe outside of Scandinavia. There are a number of well-known cases where European producers modified or upgraded their production processes to meet US sanitary requirements to enable exports. Scandinavian countries notably don't have to do this because their standards are similar to the US.

There may be other dimensions of food safety that are better in Europe but mitigating bacterial contamination is famously not one of them.

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Post by TylerE »

hammock wrote: post #563
TylerE wrote: post #477

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When their gas prices go up, their equipment goes up, their feed goes up, etc, they won’t have any choice.

Doesn't quite answer the question (of why they should sell at the highest price they can). Unless you are suggesting that raising prices today is better (normative sense, since you used the word "should") than raising prices when you don't have a choice. In which case, can you explain more your reasoning?

gestures vaguely in the direction of the last 10,000 years of well documented human behavior.

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Post by wglb »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #192
idlewords wrote: post #146

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I've noticed a fun split among people I know—those who grew up on a farm will move heaven and earth never to deal with chickens again, while people who grew up in cities or suburbs are really into the idea.

Didn't grow up with chickens, but have had them for 8 years now. Easiest pet I've ever owned, and they provide eggs. Haven't seen a weed in the yard in years. They'll decimate a garden bed, though.

I suspect “pets” are the distinguishing word.

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Post by MisterTea »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #599

Lots of people suggesting to build chicken coop. i have one, sure it's not much work. 2 minutes every day to grab the egg and bring the food and water, but then every 3 year you got to take the hatchet, grab each chicken, cut right on the neck and then hang it with it's feet while it's bleeding out and flapping its wings. then there are the few occasion where you miss with the hatchet and it cuts half its neck, its h…

> but then every 3 year you got to take the hatchet, grab each chicken, cut right on the neck and then hang it with it's feet while it's bleeding out and flapping its wings.

Is this a requirement? My friends parents keep chickens and dont kill any of them.

They dont have fly problems as the chickens spend most of their day outside of the coop letting them shit on the ground like nature intended. This disperses the waste preventing it from piling up into a fly trap.

As far as the pecking order, yes, there were issues with birds attacking others but they dealt with this by splitting up the pens. The chickens sort of form clicks around roosters and the in-crowd is safe while outsiders are harassed. So they identified the clicks by watching who follows who and moving them to the other pen. In some cases they had protective garb, chicken clothing, that protected chickens rear ends from further harm or aggressive rooster mating.

> Beside i don't know what you do with chicken corpse in city, you aren't going to put it in recycling can.

NYC sanitation has a composting bin program (granted it's not popular) which would likely be the best method of chicken corpses disposal. My only issue in cities is chickens should be raised on green land and most is paved allowing little to no ability for the chickens to feed off the land.

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Post by PaulHoule »

llamaimperative wrote: post #553
PaulHoule wrote: post #550

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A serious treatment of that requires considering what the Democratic party actually is . Wintrobe's book [1] has an analysis of a tinpot dictator who wants to steal everything a country has but has to spend some resources on buying people off and some on repression so that he can get away with it. Bill Clinton made a similar maneuver around 'triangulation' that amounts to trying to share as little of the spoils to ma…

I’m not sure what all this is about. You have one party’s “extremism” which takes the form of bluehaired Twitterati saying stupid shit and, I guess, not getting sufficiently disowned by actual political leaders? On the other hand you have an ongoing ACTUAL ideological purge of our government’s personnel, records, budget, and data, complete with watchwords (like “women”) and loyalty tests.

Sure.

I spoke to my uncle about this when he was convalescing in a nursing home. We live in New York, neither of our votes counted. I voted for Harris, he voted for Trump.

He did not see it as a black or white thing, he saw it as a comparison. He didn't see Harris as giving any reason why he should vote for her other than, maybe, she is a woman. The message that you shouldn't vote for Trump didn't resonate. Personally I saw Jan 6 as worse than Sept 11 but actually most people don't. Probably the best explanation I see for this is talked about in this podcast

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/will-tariffs-end-trump...

where Americans were asked "What issues matter to you?" and "What issues matter to X party?" and found that the lists mostly lined up when X=Republican but that people didn't see Democrats talking about the issues that mattered to them.

This is connected to my argument above because the reason why Democrats fall into that trap is the same thing that has ruined center-left parties everywhere in the world: that they make a lot of cheap talk to impress their base while reserving the spoils for their donors.

The good news is that people will be pretty sick of the Republicans in 2 years and if the Democrats were a normal party they would take over the house of representatives pretty definitively then. They've got an amazing way to pull defeat out of the jaws of victory though.

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Post by tptacek »

pessimizer wrote: post #610
tptacek wrote: post #598

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The entire egg industry is a conspiracy, like when that one guy at ADM price-fixed the lysine industry, except keyed to outbreaks of HPAI. I see.

Why wouldn't you pick the time when the public would be convinced a price rise is justifiable in order to raise prices (on a fairly inelastic good?) That isn't what you need a conspiracy for; the biggest would just press release that they were doing it, and the rest would follow. You might need a conspiracy to keep smaller producers from defecting from the price the biggest are setting, but the defectors wouldn't act…

Notice how that's not a story about price-fixing of a commodity but of a (delicious) intermediate industrial product destined for ultra-sophisticated buyers. There's no story about people price-fixing potatoes.

Also notice how the prices don't move up and down with incidents of potato blight or whatever.

Further: for this to be explanatory, you have to show why, after HPAI outbreaks subside... prices come back down.

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