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How is it an illegal operation?

DOGE does not have the authority to shut down independent agencies of the US Government such as USAID.

DOGE gets its authority through the president. The president definitely has the authority to audit and/or stop illegal, fraudulent or just wasteful transactions.

The exact shape or form of USAID is also up to the president. It was created through an executive order, and can of course also be transformed through one.

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I mean, there are many political leaders who would put Musk in prison in a heartbeat for the DOGE stuff. It's not paranoia. This is separate from "do you think this is illegal", but it's absolutely reasonable, from their perspective, to think that "everyone is after them".

I know! Maybe this paranoa would be justified, if they would already killed millions and destroyed countries!

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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post #61

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How is it an illegal operation?

DOGE does not have the authority to shut down independent agencies of the US Government such as USAID.

They aren't. They are informing the President and the President does it either by EO or asking congress.

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lol "taxation is just like the mafia". 12 year olds and libertarians are so alike

If you trace how first governments formed… it’s literally true. When the mafia gets everyone in its ranks it becomes the defacto ruling body.

In present times, you can look at cartels providing government services of better quality than the government itself in some parts of the world.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

> DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation This narrative infuriates me. Either you are right, and entire wings of our government are abetting a coup, or you are wrong, and our government has huge back doors that no one is watching. Both realities reveal something urgently broken with the United States. In a way that should scare the entire western world to its core.

> Both realities reveal something urgently broken with the United States.

Our government operations expect people to conduct themselves as adults.

Clearly, if we survive Elon's coup, we need to encode these norms into law.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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> DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation This narrative infuriates me. Either you are right, and entire wings of our government are abetting a coup, or you are wrong, and our government has huge back doors that no one is watching. Both realities reveal something urgently broken with the United States. In a way that should scare the entire western world to its core.

DOGE is not illegal. However the legality of some of the things they do is under question. The current government, including DOGE is being operated like “Just do as many things as possible, so that the lawsuits can’t keep up”. While lawyers are busy trying to stop big things, many small but important items will slip through the cracks and will take decades to undo. Edit: BTW this strategy has always been available, i…

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Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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post #71
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DOGE does not have the authority to shut down independent agencies of the US Government such as USAID.

DOGE gets its authority through the president. The president definitely has the authority to audit and/or stop illegal, fraudulent or just wasteful transactions. The exact shape or form of USAID is also up to the president. It was created through an executive order, and can of course also be transformed through one.

I have seen this regurgitated several times on this site now. This is blatantly false, congress passed a law in 1998 to establish USAID. The EO was made with authority that had been granted by another law. That law does not allow the President to abolish it:

> Unless abolished pursuant to the reorganization plan submitted under section 6601 of this title, and except as provided in section 6562 of this title, there is within the Executive branch of Government the United States Agency for International Development as an entity described in section 104 of title 5.

- 22 U.S.C. §6563

All it takes is a simple google search.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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DOGE is not illegal. However the legality of some of the things they do is under question. The current government, including DOGE is being operated like “Just do as many things as possible, so that the lawsuits can’t keep up”. While lawyers are busy trying to stop big things, many small but important items will slip through the cracks and will take decades to undo. Edit: BTW this strategy has always been available, i…

> While lawyers are busy trying to stop big things, many small but important items will slip through the cracks and will take decades to undo. So the government is designed in such a way that someone can do illegal things without those currently running the systems simply saying "no?" They have the power to do the things, and then we have to wait for it to be litigated. Watching the cases against Trump drop like flie…

Yes.

If Elon says one thing and someone else thinks the opposite, it comes down to a battle of wills... and Elon doesn't back down. Sure, it can go to the courts, but the courts only matter if they're listened to or enforced. Neither of which will happen here.

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