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F-Droid Awarded Open Technology Fund's FOSS Sustainability Grant

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Re: F-Droid Awarded Open Technology Fund's FOSS Sustainability Grant

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I think this is an unfair comment. This is like complaining about an agriculturist being awarded money for a novel agricultural technique they developed, but they aren't saving the penguins in the Antarctic...

It is absolutely fair! Farms have to cull cows, to reduce methane emissions, to save penguins!

F-Droid does not exist in vacuum, their actions send message!

Re: F-Droid Awarded Open Technology Fund's FOSS Sustainability Grant

#43

F-Droid is indeed a nice alternative for Play Store, but still, it's not perfect. https://privsec.dev/posts/android/f-droid-security-issues/

Assuming one did have reproducible builds, would you even need signing keys anymore? All you would need is to build the app yourself or have some trusted third party build it and verify that both outputs are the same. You could also use md5s published by the developer and check that against the f-droid build. It seems like the advantage of signing is pretty small at that point. At least in the case I am thinking of, where the developer is using GitHub, it seems unlikely that a malicious actor would be able to add malicious code to the repo and create a new release but somehow be blocked by the signing keys. In that case, I think it would be better to just use "00000000" as the signing key for all apps (8 character minimum jks length) to make build scripts more reproducible, ie. the signing is part of the build script, which also makes apk md5 comparisons easier. Am I missing something?

Re: F-Droid Awarded Open Technology Fund's FOSS Sustainability Grant

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As a queer person I don't even know what I'd want from a CoC like that. It feels like I'd be giving up the freedom I love from F-Droid so I could better police other apps (which is something I don't want or need). Considering how absolutely useless CoCs are in other software I use, I'm pretty happy with where F-Droid is today.

I'm not convinced they ever really had the effect people hoped. More often instead I see it used not as a way to show that people are welcome, but as a false flag used to justify arbitrary enforcement of subjective terminology... which they already had the power to do anyways.

Re: F-Droid Awarded Open Technology Fund's FOSS Sustainability Grant

#45

Well deserved. Though, I have problems in "discovering" apps for a particular purpose. It would have helped if there was a vote-based curated app categories section. My current strategy is googling for "[category (e.g. 2FA or note-taking)] + reddit + open-source" then opening up each suggestion's git source and manually look for things like tech stack or project stars or number of contributors.

There's gdroid (https://gitlab.com/gdroid/gdroidclient/) that tries to tackle this problem by using stars in the app, github stars and some more metrics.

However it's usage does not seem to be widespread.

Re: F-Droid Awarded Open Technology Fund's FOSS Sustainability Grant

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not. Stop being in an echo chamber. Refer to this post for more valid criticism: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42653176

In order: It is; the authors appear to be operating in a model where they completely trust app authors and nobody else, though they never actually spell out the threat model (which really should make us view their assessment skeptically anyways), where F-Droid specifically avoids trusting app authors. Nearly all of their objections come down to this single difference. What echo chamber? I'm not aware of anyone else a…

They had a much more convincing argument before the Play Store started forcing the same exact thing that they said was one of the main problems with F-Droid, and F-Droid started providing reproducible builds.

Re: F-Droid Awarded Open Technology Fund's FOSS Sustainability Grant

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Setting aside agreement or disagreement, what about that comment is striking you as symptomatic of coming from an echo chamber?

Oh please. It's a factual argument and you've contributed nothing to it apart from steering away from the goalpost

Let's say I'm doing all of those things, and am prepared to atone for my sins.

And I just want to know what you found echo chamberry about the other comment. Can you enlighten me? Maybe that way I can avoid all of the mistakes that I'm making.

Re: F-Droid Awarded Open Technology Fund's FOSS Sustainability Grant

#48

F-Droid is indeed a nice alternative for Play Store, but still, it's not perfect. https://privsec.dev/posts/android/f-droid-security-issues/

Assuming one did have reproducible builds, would you even need signing keys anymore? All you would need is to build the app yourself or have some trusted third party build it and verify that both outputs are the same. You could also use md5s published by the developer and check that against the f-droid build. It seems like the advantage of signing is pretty small at that point. At least in the case I am thinking of,…

The benefit of having a signature over a simple hash is that even if the code was tampered with, you would know it is not the same as what the author used. On the other hand, if it was a reproducible build, it could have still been tampered with somewhere and only the original developer could verify that you got the right code to start with.

Also, not everyone is equipped to build software. Signatures enable you to easily know that there was no MITM tampering (or at least, to assume much lower chances of it), with less overall trust required.

Re: F-Droid Awarded Open Technology Fund's FOSS Sustainability Grant

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Also check out https://droidify.eu.org . The client is better IMHO.

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/nya.kitsunyan.foxydroid/ is quite nice also

From what I remember, Droidif-y is a fork of Foxy Droid and Neo Chat was fork of Droidif-y or vice versa. Either way, I used to use Foxy Droid but Droidif-y has been the modern update it needed.

Re: F-Droid Awarded Open Technology Fund's FOSS Sustainability Grant

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For those who don't know, there's also Neo store, which has F-Droid in it. https://github.com/NeoApplications/Neo-Store

Also Droidify, which I believe is either a fork or Neo Store or Neo Store is a fork of Droidify. Whichever is the original is a fork of Foxy Droid.

https://github.com/Droid-ify/client

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