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Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Why is resembles Windows important? Macos does not and is doing fine, so is Chromeos, so is Android. Even Windows can be quite different from older versions of Windows.

Because if you wish to convince people they should switch from Windows, that's a very important factor. People do not like change, and they want the skills they have to transfer over as much as possible.

So why have so many people switched from Windows to MacOS?

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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What is Microsoft hoping to accomplish here? Given the rate of adoption of Windows 11, it seems unlikely that a majority of Windows 10 users will replace their hardware between now and October. It also seems to me that the scenario where a majority of PC users are running an unsupported Windows release is likely to create MS more problems than is offset by potential revenue from a hardware refresh cycle. Is there an…

I would it is a combination of metric-stuffing, land grab, and genuine concern about security. Metric stuffing. Everyone at Microsoft is graded on "impact". All the EVP-types at Microsoft have their eye on boldface jobs, so they need a track record of massive impact. Beimg able to claim that they got W11 from X billion devices to Y is how theyll be judged. Another example is how in Azure, the only metric that matters…

Your first two reasons are why they're discontinuing support for Windows 10. The intention to drive Windows 11 adoption is inverse to disabling upgrades, because then some of the people without a supported PC won't be able to afford a new one and will switch to Linux or continue to run Windows 10 unsupported when they would otherwise have installed Windows 11 on it.

And the security reason is nonsense because as you point out, the overwhelming majority of Windows security problems are in no way improved by a TPM.

The most likely real explanation is that Microsoft is constantly at war with itself and the manager currently occupying the relevant coign of vantage finds it to be in their personal interest for some muddy reason having to do with internal politics.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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post #43

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In my experience, it is not about functionality. It is about polish, integrations, and troubleshooting. If you assume all your devices and software will work on Linux mint out of the box, great. But they won't. Then you end up spending hours trying to get the 5th mouse button to do what it does automatically in Windows. Sure there's a fancy utility on Linux that supports programming that mouse, good luck getting your…

I think it's about habit more than anything. People are used to Windows' sharp edges and have developed workarounds (just reboot it). But no, the experience is nowhere near "polished", and troubleshooting is a joke. "Something unexpected happened" or "contact your administrator" isn't exactly helpful. Sure, there may be some log somewhere in that godawful event viewer, but who has the patience to wait for that abomin…

"Just reboot it" is 1000x more polished than having to jump into the terminal or reinstall your OS (both of which are 100% inaccessible to the average user). Troubleshooting can be done by googling your issue on Windows whereas Linux has dozens of repos with that all require different troubleshooting steps on much more niche websites that won't come up on the first page of google while the average user doesn't know what the hell a GNOME or a KDE is.

Windows wins 100-0 in terms of polish in the eyes of the average user, and that's saying something given that it's not very polished as you said.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Linux is in desperate need of a PR campaign. The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows, but no one knows it.

We're just 5 years away from... - AGI/ASI - Fusion Energy - Linux overtaking Windows

2025 - Year of the Linux Desktop

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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post #126

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> a new "Adminless" account model with linux-like just-in-time escalation This was the promise of User Account Control, was it not? Or does that just prompt for confirmation for various actions, without actually enforcing a security boundary?

UAC provides just-in-time elevation. The user belongs to the 'admin' group (aka wheel) and only receives an admin token when performing a task that requires elevation. Once the task is complete, the token is destroyed.

> Once the task is complete, the token is destroyed.

It's less granular than a task though, it's an execution context. If you're running Notepad++ and it wants to update, it requires an elevation. The installer is now running in an admin context and can do whatever it wants, once it's finished installing it usually asks if you want to launch Notepad++ again. At that point the installer running in the admin context can launch Notepad++ within that admin context.

Thus there's a potential for the admin context to persist indefinitely.

In my mind, tasked based elevation is more granular. Something like "I need to write to the program files directory" and not a carte blanche "gimmie admin access to do whatever the hell I want".

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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I don't know how accurate StatCounter is, but their latest report is showing the breakdown of OS users as:

- Windows 11: 36%

- Windows 10: 60%

Using Steam Hardware survey, it shows:

- Windows 11: 53.46% (-1.50%)

- Windows 10: 42.87% (+0.48%)

Whilst these numbers look very bad for Microsoft, especially given that we're less than 10 months away from Windows 10's home user support, it's potentially even worse if the data is correct and more people are reverting to Windows 10. Reasons I can think of there might be due to some of the recent Windows 11 updates harming performance in applications, notably many major Ubisoft titles.

I'm still on Windows 10, for two reasons. My motherboard does not support TPM 2.0, and I have not had any reason to need to upgrade given it still runs everything I need perfectly. Secondly, I have not seen any reason to go to 11 from 10; I don't love 10, but 11 doesn't seem to fix any of my issues, if anything I see many worse features.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/02/windows_10_grows/

https://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desk...

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2532669/ubisoft-games-are-cr...

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Because if you wish to convince people they should switch from Windows, that's a very important factor. People do not like change, and they want the skills they have to transfer over as much as possible.

So why have so many people switched from Windows to MacOS?

I can't speak for every single one of them but I can say that some of them probably did it by choice and was prepared to handle the friction in the beginning until they get used to it. I know lots of people who switched from Windows to Mac where power users / had good computer habit.

However, I don't think some of the older people are willing to go through all that. I wish to see an easier option for people who wants a smoother transition from Win10 to something else, especially now since Win10 is being discontinued october this year.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

#208
post #77

Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…

I've used windows for 30+ years, and I'm getting a Mac this year. I seriously considered Linux on a Thinkpad and even test-drove Debian on my older X1 Carbon. I tried, but too many things didn't quite work. I'd get stuck on the login screen for no apparent reason. VMware modules were a pain to build and sign. Something (might have been VMware modules) caused it to freeze. Hidpi support isn't ready. And nothing was really polished.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

#209
post #77

Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…

Give Linux a try. After seeing how ad-centered Windows 11 has become, I made the decision to wipe my drive and go full Linux, and I couldn't be happier. Is it perfect? No. Is it better for my workflow and caters to my more advanced usage? A big resounding yes.

It cannot replace Microsoft Office, but it's getting close. Most people don't use the full functionality of Microsoft Office, so LibreOffice and Google's online suite are good enough, but I still keep a remote Windows Virtual Machine (VM) around for those time I need Windows-specific stuff and RDP into the VM. I look forward to the day Microsoft finally wakes up and ports Microsoft Office to Linux.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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post #77

Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…

I've used windows for 30+ years, and I'm getting a Mac this year. I seriously considered Linux on a Thinkpad and even test-drove Debian on my older X1 Carbon. I tried, but too many things didn't quite work. I'd get stuck on the login screen for no apparent reason. VMware modules were a pain to build and sign. Something (might have been VMware modules) caused it to freeze. Hidpi support isn't ready. And nothing was re…

Used Carbon x1s are such a great buy, $200 you get 1440p i7 16gb ram only problem is batteries but yeah works great on Ubuntu in my experience
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