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Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Chinese have far better and cheaper EV cars. Getting spare parts for Tesla in Europe is a nightmare!

Getting service for a Tesla in the US can be pretty unpleasant. They’ve gone from truly excellent service to not wanting to interact with their owners and managing parts availability quite poorly.

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This may get flagged as it's similar to previous articles that were flagged, but I'd just like to point out that ideological arguments pro or con about Tesla stories rarely seem to be the true reason. That is, whenever there is an article about Tesla sales slipping you see lots of "That's because all the liberal EV buyers hate Elon now!" comments. And as much as I may personally want that to be true, if you dig a teeny bit you nearly always find that economic reasons are much more plausible - e.g. as some other comments have pointed out, the rise of competition especially BYD, people holding off for the new model Y, difficulty in finding repairs, etc.

Lots of consumers like to talk a good political game but pocketbook issues always seem to take precedence when push comes to shove.

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It's such a shame. My wife has an early Model 3 from 2019 that's now over 100,000 miles. It's been a great car, no major issues and no maintenance for 6 years. 100,000 miles with nothing but new tires and windshield washer fluid is amazing to me. We're not in a position to unload our Tesla for something else right now, but without major changes at the head of the company it will likely be the last Tesla we own.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Chinese have far better and cheaper EV cars. Getting spare parts for Tesla in Europe is a nightmare!

Completely uninformed statement. Its impressive what they achieved in such a short time but neither the xiaomi nor the BYD Seal is anywhere close to what it is mimicking.

Most people don't need or want FSD. They want an actual steering wheel and an actual stalk in order to activate turn signals. They want reliable well-made electric vehicles that don't take long to repair.

Musk has spent many billions of dollars building something his target market doesn't require. Tesla does not currently have product-market fit.

Musk should resign his board and CEO positions and stop interfering with internal decision-making. And refrain from rumored ketamine use.

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It was an open secret for a while, that new model Y is coming. So why buy an old one when few months in the future you can get current model and not the outdated one. Everyone is just waiting to buy new model Y. I took the risk, got old one year ago and now I am very happy, that the new one is rather facelift with couple percent better range and not a revolutionary upgrade. This would be pity. I am just wondering abo…

If that were the actual reason then why did the sales drop so much in the last month? Surely the new model Y has been coming for a while now, it is difficult to imagine that it would cause a >40% drop across the board from month to month. Rather it seems very likely that Musk is extremely toxic to the brand at the moment. He is very closely aligned to a president who is actively threatening a trade war against the EU…

>If that were the actual reason then why did the sales drop so much in the last month?

Because why buy a Model Y in December at full price, when you can order the new version for the same price?

The Juniper is the last update of a 5 year old model. The reviews says it was well worth the wait.

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I live in San Mateo County, CA and in my street 3 neighbors have sold their Teslas within the last 8 weeks and switched to other brands.

I live in the south bay and my apartment complex parking is still just as full of Teslas. so take of that what you will.

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Chinese have far better and cheaper EV cars. Getting spare parts for Tesla in Europe is a nightmare!

Most European EV sales that aren't Tesla are European brands like Volkswagen Group (VW, Audi, Skoda), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis (Pueguot, Fiat, Opel), Renault-Nissan (Renault, Dacia, Nissan), or Korea's Hyundai. The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. You can see this in EU EV industry data as well from JATO (the EU's auto industry trade group) - https://www.jato.com/reso…

BYD is currently hampered by 45% EU tariffs. BYD vehicles should be much more cost competitive once they have a factory in the EU.

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I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 miles. Most of Tesla's target market does not tolerate Nazism, which Elon Musk is clearly and obviously signaling. That doesn't even touch on his enthusiastic role in an administration threatening EU members states, some of our historically closest allies in the p…

That’s ridiculous. Can you name examples where he is signaling Nazism (except the Salut). Have you watched any long form podcasts of him?

Besides this? [0]

[0]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk...

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FSD makes Tesla superior to any car out there. No other car comes even close. Although I heard that FSD was already crippled in eu so maybe they aren't missing out as much.

Yeah, good luck with that. FSD has been a year away for over a decade. I predict states will outlaw it/require the driver to be fully in control of the vehicle if people actually start using it. Right now the error rate is so much higher than human drivers that it's ridiculous.
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