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Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by butlike »

ch_123 wrote: post #18

What is Microsoft hoping to accomplish here? Given the rate of adoption of Windows 11, it seems unlikely that a majority of Windows 10 users will replace their hardware between now and October. It also seems to me that the scenario where a majority of PC users are running an unsupported Windows release is likely to create MS more problems than is offset by potential revenue from a hardware refresh cycle. Is there an…

Why not release a tool that runs and shows me the minimum I need to spend to get my PC windows 11 ready? Hide it behind a few menus/drop downs since it will be an "advanced" pc-builder tool.

I imagine it's only my MOBO which is missing TPM, but a suggestion of what mobo to buy which would be compatible with all my other components (RAM DIMMS, PCI-e cards) would be killer.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by butlike »

Hawxy wrote: post #109
jpm_sd wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a TL;DW? It's an hour long video

- Windows 11 has provided a hardware security baseline for Microsoft, with features that require hardware support (HVCI, TPM etc) to be enabled by default going forward, stating that Windows 10 strategy of off-by-default was a failure. - Admin accounts are a continued security problem within the Windows ecosystem, so a future version of Windows will be adding a new "Adminless" account model with linux-like just-in-ti…

win32 isolation sounds cool.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by marcodiego »

p_ing wrote: post #56
queuebert wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux is in desperate need of a PR campaign. The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows, but no one knows it.

Linux is in desperate need of a stable ABI that isn't Win32 as well as a stable, unified Window Server.

Snaps, flatpaks and appimages are converging to that. Slowly indeed, but they are.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by p_ing »

wnevets wrote: post #116

has anyone ever explained why TPM 2.0 is so much better than TPM 1.2 on Windows 11? What can't Microsoft do securely with 1.2 that it can with 2.0? I'm not asking what 2.0 does better than 1.2, I am asking why is it a must have.

There are major differences between the two, including cryptography used, outlined on the Wikipedia article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module#Versio....

2.0 is required for Microsoft's purposes. Here's one of them:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/hardware-...

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by butlike »

smw wrote: post #123
xmodem wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's anything going on here other than general corporate ham-fisted-ness. * Microsoft believes the improvements in windows 11 provide genuine benefit to their users. * Microsoft doesn't want to maintain their older OS forever. What we are seeing play out however is that the consumer / small business market either does not understand or does not care about those benefits. I don't see any viable end-st…

Wouldn't disallowing updates to Win 11 be the opposite of a logical plan if your goal was to get people upgraded to Win 11?

"Well you see..." "If you debase your current OS, you PRIME people for the next OS, Win13!"

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by hparadiz »

smw wrote: post #123
xmodem wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's anything going on here other than general corporate ham-fisted-ness. * Microsoft believes the improvements in windows 11 provide genuine benefit to their users. * Microsoft doesn't want to maintain their older OS forever. What we are seeing play out however is that the consumer / small business market either does not understand or does not care about those benefits. I don't see any viable end-st…

Wouldn't disallowing updates to Win 11 be the opposite of a logical plan if your goal was to get people upgraded to Win 11?

The secondary goal is lowering support costs. Less hardware to support does that.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by globular-toast »

t_mann wrote: post #77

Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…

When I see people waking up now I wonder what's taken them so long. I could see this 15 years ago and jumped off Windows at that point. Been using Linux ever since. It's become so easy since then I've intentionally made my life more difficult by switching to Gentoo about 5 years ago. I'm so glad none of my work is locked into the products of rent seeking companies like Microsoft. It was easier for me because 15 years I didn't already have a body of work and an investment into any tools, but I still think it's something you'll be glad you did in another 15 years.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by butlike »

queuebert wrote: post #27
Daunk wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently found out that a friend of mine installed Linux on his own, completely removing his Windows install. And he has yet to "fiddle with the terminal", but still enjoys gaming on Steam and goes on with his daily routine.

Linux is in desperate need of a PR campaign. The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows, but no one knows it.

We're just 5 years away from...

- AGI/ASI

- Fusion Energy

- Linux overtaking Windows

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by butlike »

dbcjv7vhxj wrote: post #85
Alifatisk wrote: post #72

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> The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows Give me some names that works out of the box and resembles Windows. I have not tried Linux mint so I don't know how well it works for older people. Ubuntu has been quite good and stable but it has also required fiddling with the terminal. The only one I found to be the best alternative to Windows is ... believe it or not, DeepinOS.

PopOS is more Mac than windows but it's what you're after.

KDE is as close to win as you can get on a linux kernel
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