Deleted from the documentation (and I'm sure the archive remembers), not the codebase. As anyone who has been in the Windows world long enough knows, there are plenty of such "unofficially documented" features.
Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
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Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
#112Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…
Office is moving web based. OWA is first class now, with Outlook New being a thin wrapper around it with some natives. Also their mockups all use macs primarily so “go figure”
Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
#113Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…
Long-time Windows user here that made the jump from Windows 11+WSL to Linux a few months ago. After test driving a few distros, I settled on CachyOS (an Arch-based distro)[1].
Performance wise it's smooth as heck, and Geekbench scores show it performing better than Win11 across the board. The default install uses KDE Plasma for its desktop, which is a perfect fit for Windows users like myself in terms of UX/UI.
For an alternative to MS Office, I've been using OnlyOffice[2] with no compatibility issues yet (though I am only a casual user and not a hardcore Word/Excel user).
I reinstalled Win11 last week to confirm whether or not I was experiencing bias, and there was noticeable feeling of "lag" when using Win11 compared to CachyOS (this test was with the latest Win drivers and patches on relatively recent Thinkpad hardware). I went back to Cachy with no hesitation after that.
Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
#114What is Microsoft hoping to accomplish here? Given the rate of adoption of Windows 11, it seems unlikely that a majority of Windows 10 users will replace their hardware between now and October. It also seems to me that the scenario where a majority of PC users are running an unsupported Windows release is likely to create MS more problems than is offset by potential revenue from a hardware refresh cycle. Is there an…
What you've said does seem plausible. But on the other hand there are valid reasons for requiring a minimum baseline for Windows 11. The TPM requirements for example allow seamless BitLocker (which provides feature-parity with macOS), it allows secure system credential storage (in both consumer and enterprise contexts) and it's also useful for application developers. For example Chrome can defend user data better aga…
The number of functioning computers that are restricted to Windows 10 probably still outnumber the number of computers that can run Windows 11. Most people don't have $500 to drop on a replacement. (Very many of these computers might've been thousands of dollars new and will still outperform the majority of new Windows 11 machines.)
Microsoft is just putting a huge environmental waste of a mandated obsolesence tax on the entire world. But Microsoft doesn't pay the opportunity cost of losing all that hardware. (I wonder how much the hardware Microsoft wants destroyed is worth, hundreds of millions of dollars?)
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Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
#116has anyone ever explained why TPM 2.0 is so much better than TPM 1.2 on Windows 11? What can't Microsoft do securely with 1.2 that it can with 2.0?
I'm not asking what 2.0 does better than 1.2, I am asking why is it a must have.
Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but are those features that people actually care about? The users? No. The corporations that make DRM? Yes.
What are some examples of DRM that uses TPM? What does TPM provide that stuff like SGX (which is already used in DRM) doesn't provide?
SGX is used for DRM in official Blu-Ray 4K playback on PCs, and Intel removed SGX from client cpus in 11th gen (Ice Lake) which means if you want to play those discs on a PC, you either need an older processor or a Xeon or to give in and use unauthorized software.
I'm not sure that tying their horse to SGX is good for adoption of the format.
Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
#118Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…
Office is moving web based. OWA is first class now, with Outlook New being a thin wrapper around it with some natives. Also their mockups all use macs primarily so “go figure”
>Also their mockups all use macs primarily so “go figure”
That tells you everything.
Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
#119The title is misleading. Microsoft deleted their article documenting the bypass, not the workaround itself.
any cache?
Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are some examples of DRM that uses TPM? What does TPM provide that stuff like SGX (which is already used in DRM) doesn't provide?
Valorant requires it for anticheat. The purpose is to prevent users from running unauthorized software on the computers they allegedly own. I wouldn't expect many examples to exist yet. You want to wait until almost everyone is on Windows 11 before you get up to those shenanigans.
Given than qemu (and I assume other virtual machines) can emulate a TPM 2.0 device, does this even work?
Yes, anticheat tends to detect virtualization too, so there's extra cat and mouse there, of course.